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Re: are these gyms? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9857581 - 02/24/09 05:07 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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You didn't mention pleurocystidia so I assume there were none.




I hadn't looked for pleurocystidia yet - If I looked and couldn't find any I would say "pleurocystidia not observed". 

Here are some pics I took today of the pleurocystidia. 





Spores (6.99) 7.2 - 8.6 (8.76) x (3.70) 3.9 - 4.6 (4.99), minutely ornamented, non-dextrinoid

6.99 x 3.89
7.17 x 3.70
7.27 x 4.06
7.34 x 3.89
7.39 x 4.10
7.42 x 4.33
7.50 x 4.28
7.62 x 4.07
7.66 x 4.27
7.69 x 4.14
7.71 x 4.57
7.72 x 4.34
7.79 x 4.17
7.79 x 4.50
7.79 x 4.99
8.04 x 4.09
8.26 x 4.31
8.59 x 4.58
8.76 x 4.50


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Re: are these gyms? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9858141 - 02/24/09 06:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I've give this a peek tomorrow.  It's too late in the evening here for heavy taxonomic issues.  There are only a few with non-dextrinoid spores so this shouldn't be very difficult.

Nice measurements.


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Re: are these gyms? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9862239 - 02/25/09 11:57 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
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You didn't mention pleurocystidia so I assume there were none.




I hadn't looked for pleurocystidia yet - If I looked and couldn't find any I would say "pleurocystidia not observed". 

Here are some pics I took today of the pleurocystidia. 





Spores (6.99) 7.2 - 8.6 (8.76) x (3.70) 3.9 - 4.6 (4.99), minutely ornamented, non-dextrinoid

6.99 x 3.89
7.17 x 3.70
7.27 x 4.06
7.34 x 3.89
7.39 x 4.10
7.42 x 4.33
7.50 x 4.28
7.62 x 4.07
7.66 x 4.27
7.69 x 4.14
7.71 x 4.57
7.72 x 4.34
7.79 x 4.17
7.79 x 4.50
7.79 x 4.99
8.04 x 4.09
8.26 x 4.31
8.59 x 4.58
8.76 x 4.50





these are the lakebed finds still, right?


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Re: are these gyms? [Re: johnnyblaze2316]
    #9862394 - 02/25/09 12:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yes.


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Re: are these gyms? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9862542 - 02/25/09 12:47 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Closest match so far, Gymnopilus amarissimus.  If the spores you call non-dextrinoid have been stained, they look yellowish-brown to me.  From that I would say we've found it.  What do you think?


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Re: are these gyms? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9862811 - 02/25/09 01:28 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

we cant even find amarissimus in the books or online.........where are you finding this? is this genus posted somewhere i can look up?


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Re: are these gyms? [Re: johnnyblaze2316]
    #9862950 - 02/25/09 01:45 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Hesler's monograph, North American Species of Gymnopilus, 1969. Hang on, I'll post that page.


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Re: are these gyms? [Re: johnnyblaze2316]
    #9862987 - 02/25/09 01:52 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: are these gyms? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9863023 - 02/25/09 02:00 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

hmmm...... *promptly bitter*.......if i remember .... it was not bitter at all, i will ask my friend if he remembers better......or bitter.....haha


Edited by johnnyblaze2316 (02/25/09 02:02 PM)


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Re: are these gyms? [Re: johnnyblaze2316]
    #9863079 - 02/25/09 02:08 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Alan can do two other tests and check the results.  Stain the gills with KOH and Melzer's.  It would be interesting to see if those chemical reactions match.


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Re: are these gyms? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9863122 - 02/25/09 02:14 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

i hope he reads that and tries it.


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Re: are these gyms? [Re: johnnyblaze2316]
    #9866753 - 02/25/09 10:56 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

These Gyms remind me of my unknown Gym sp.

These have a similar cap surface to blazes' find.


One of the old rotted specimens in blaze's pics looks just like these.


Mr. Mushrooms,

Have you compared his finds' microscopic features with mine?


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Re: are these gyms? [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #9866891 - 02/25/09 11:14 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Alan is working on Johnny's and I'm still working on yours.  The KOH solution I made today was for your mushrooms specifically.  You can see how difficult it is to pin down a Gym.  I have a feeling this one might not be a Gym at all.  More work needs to be done when Alan gets a moment.


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Re: are these gyms? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9867484 - 02/26/09 01:23 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Stain the gills with KOH and Melzer's.




KOH turns the gills dark red and the pileus trama dark red.  It turns the gill trama yellow.  Melzers stains the pileus trama a light red.


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Re: are these gyms? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9867507 - 02/26/09 01:37 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Then this is either a newly discovered Gymnopilus or not a Gymnopilus at all.  There are no other options.

What do you think?


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Re: are these gyms? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #10164190 - 04/14/09 01:35 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
Some crystals that were on the microscope slide that had the spore print:



thats fucking krazy glue from when i glued the the slides together....haha 2 mos later....


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