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Re: Should I write the be-all end-all Book About Drugs? [Re: badchad]
    #10158120 - 04/13/09 01:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Thanks for the words of support. I definitely feel like I've got it in me and it wants to come out.  It seems like when I have the resources all handy, it only takes 2-3 applied days to write a damn solid monograph (I'm trying to stay in the range of 60-75 pages per monograph) , so it's not as daunting as it sounds.





Again, it depends on the audience and complexity of the book, but that is not even in the range of what it takes to publish something worthwhile.

Ask any seasoned scientist on how long it takes to write something and they'll tell you it takes MUCH longer than that.

I've worked on professional texts before where it has taken over a year to complete a 23 page chapter on a single substance.




I'm not talking about doing novel research here. What I'm talking about is basically a solid focused literature summary.  I believe that any literature review is only as good as its bibliography in a way, which is why my bibliographies are going to be as worthwhile as I can make them.  But on top of providing a thorough bibliography, I think that with a disciplined focus, the literature review will serve as a one-stop reference for the general layman (and average user of drugs, and the generally drug-curious).

I don't know how well I'm communicating it, but I have a strong vision of a work that's both practical to accomplish and of substantial use to a handful of different demographics.

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Re: Should I write the be-all end-all Book About Drugs? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #10158142 - 04/13/09 01:57 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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I'll buy it but only if you include a Dissociatives section with Ketamine DXM and Nitrous :crazy2:. I understand you want to make it all about plants but surely you can't ignore such an interesting family of psychedelics?



As deCypher said, that would kind of open the floodgates, and it'd be difficult to draw the line on what not to include. The project would just get too unwieldy.

They're an interesting group of compounds, to be sure, but they really don't fit into the same set of compounds I intend to discuss.

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Re: Should I write the be-all end-all Book About Drugs? *DELETED* [Re: Entropymancer]
    #10158161 - 04/13/09 02:00 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Should I write the be-all end-all Book About Drugs? [Re: Coffee]
    #10158212 - 04/13/09 02:10 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds like a good Idea. Here's a good reference book if you are interested.

http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Psychoactive-Plants-Ethnopharmacology-Applications/dp/0892819782

It's quite detailed and has a lot of good info in there.


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Re: Should I write the be-all end-all Book About Drugs? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #10158216 - 04/13/09 02:10 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm not talking about doing novel research here. What I'm talking about is basically a solid focused literature summary. 




Thats what I was referring to as well.  It can easily take 6 months to a year to get a comprehensive review of a single compound.

I think we probably just have different visions of what a textbook/reference should/would look like.  Cheers!


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Should I write the be-all end-all Book About Drugs? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #10158236 - 04/13/09 02:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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You got any publishers lined up for you?




Not at this point. It seems a little premature for that... but then I don't know anything about publishing. How much of it should be finished before I pitch it to publishers?



To be safe, I would just wait until it's pretty much finished, or at least until the entire framework/outline has been well established. I don't know much about publishing either, though, that's just my two cents...



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I'll buy it but only if you include a Dissociatives section with Ketamine DXM and Nitrous :crazy2:. I understand you want to make it all about plants but surely you can't ignore such an interesting family of psychedelics?



As deCypher said, that would kind of open the floodgates, and it'd be difficult to draw the line on what not to include. The project would just get too unwieldy.

They're an interesting group of compounds, to be sure, but they really don't fit into the same set of compounds I intend to discuss.



Maybe you should make a set of books instead, and dedicate each volume to a certain class of drugs. Better yet, make a druglopedia! :awesome:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Should I write the be-all end-all Book About Drugs? [Re: Louiscypher]
    #10158390 - 04/13/09 02:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Sounds like a good Idea. Here's a good reference book if you are interested.

http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Psychoactive-Plants-Ethnopharmacology-Applications/dp/0892819782

It's quite detailed and has a lot of good info in there.




It leaves out a lot of key information, it's poorly cited, and Rätsch's reliability is dubious. Lots of pretty pictures though.

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Re: Should I write the be-all end-all Book About Drugs? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #10158591 - 04/13/09 03:04 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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I'll buy it but only if you include a Dissociatives section with Ketamine DXM and Nitrous :crazy2:. I understand you want to make it all about plants but surely you can't ignore such an interesting family of psychedelics?



As deCypher said, that would kind of open the floodgates, and it'd be difficult to draw the line on what not to include. The project would just get too unwieldy.

They're an interesting group of compounds, to be sure, but they really don't fit into the same set of compounds I intend to discuss.




That's fair. I was just kidding, of course I'll buy it anyway. I say go for it. One thing I would say is have anecdotal writing in there aswell. Chemistry/history is really interesting but a good trip report will keep your readers hooked.


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Re: Should I write the be-all end-all Book About Drugs? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #10158793 - 04/13/09 03:25 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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One thing I would say is have anecdotal writing in there aswell. Chemistry/history is really interesting but a good trip report will keep your readers hooked.



Absolutely :thumbup:

Gotta keep it engaging. In addition to the seasoning of contemporary experience reports, I'm also including as many historical ones as I can find (the accounts of the first explorers to encounter the plant drug being consumed, for example)

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Re: Should I write the be-all end-all Book About Drugs? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #10159243 - 04/13/09 04:22 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

You have a shit-ton of info that you should share. I'd definitely buy your book.


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Re: Should I write A Comprehensive Reference Book on Humanity's Plant-derived Drugs? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #10159416 - 04/13/09 04:43 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, do it, you write well. Your Amanita muscaria and related mushroom
thread in the Hunting forum is a good reference and I think if you
wrote a book about plant derived drugs it would also be a good reference.

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Re: Should I write A Comprehensive Reference Book on Humanity's Plant-derived Drugs? [Re: falcon]
    #10159435 - 04/13/09 04:47 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Don't skimp n extractions and whatnot either. Having something comprehensive like that would be very very useful. Your book will be great fo sho tho.


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Not this weak travesty that let millions starve and sucks corporate cock while failing at every turn.

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Re: Should I write A Comprehensive Reference Book on Humanity's Plant-derived Drugs? [Re: doom876]
    #10159572 - 04/13/09 05:06 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, in addition to regular preparation info, each plant will have an "Isolation of High-Purity Compounds" section. :thumbup:

I guess that probably makes the book illegal in Australia, but waddaya gunna do?

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