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spiritual satanism
    #10155162 - 04/13/09 12:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: DemonoftheDrop]
    #10155316 - 04/13/09 01:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yep, the Left Hand Path is indeed a viable spiritual alternative.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: deCypher]
    #10156152 - 04/13/09 05:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sounds pretty cool.

Im loving sumerian legends

Most believable spirituality ive ever heard

though im not sure about calling satan 'satan' which is merely a christian term.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: deCypher]
    #10156163 - 04/13/09 05:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Yep, the Left Hand Path is indeed a viable spiritual alternative.




I kinda agree, but both demons and angels are inferior to God.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Zanthius]
    #10156179 - 04/13/09 05:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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deCypher said:
Yep, the Left Hand Path is indeed a viable spiritual alternative.




I kinda agree, but both demons and angels are inferior to God.




And all are imaginary.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #10156191 - 04/13/09 05:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

But still inferior; sort of like elves...


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10156206 - 04/13/09 05:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Do I really have repeat this? Elves ARE real. :suckit:


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #10156214 - 04/13/09 05:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Poid]
    #10156232 - 04/13/09 05:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That's not you, it's kind of attractive.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #10156237 - 04/13/09 05:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

In what sense? :what:

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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #10156638 - 04/13/09 10:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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And all are imaginary.




Demons are as imaginary as the word malevolent, angels are as imaginary as the word benevolent, and God is as imaginary as the word universal.

90% of the disagreements in the world are also just about semantics.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Zanthius]
    #10156714 - 04/13/09 10:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Yep, the Left Hand Path is indeed a viable spiritual alternative.




I kinda agree, but both demons and angels are inferior to God.




Yeah, but God's a bit too impersonal for my taste.  At least with lesser entities of the celestial pantheon you have the chance for meaningful communication; can a human (God) even start to sit down and talk with an ant (mortal man)?


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Zanthius]
    #10156751 - 04/13/09 10:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why chat with the negative ones when you can chat with the positive ones?


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: spyder]
    #10156754 - 04/13/09 10:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Why chat with the negative ones when you can chat with the positive ones.




One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the dark conscious.
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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: deCypher]
    #10156755 - 04/13/09 10:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah, but God's a bit too impersonal for my taste.  At least with lesser entities of the celestial pantheon you have the chance for meaningful communication; can a human (God) even start to sit down and talk with an ant (mortal man)?




Well, when it comes to the difference in intellectual evolution between one human and another, I think the internal difference can be enormous.

The programs we are running in our brains can stop to expand at a young age in some individuals, while they expand at a much greater speed for other individuals during their entire lives. One person might have a program that is only a few gigabytes, while another person might have a program that is many terabytes. Naturally, a person with a huge program conceptualizes the universe quite differently from a person with a small program.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Zanthius]
    #10156760 - 04/13/09 10:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah, but God's a bit too impersonal for my taste.  At least with lesser entities of the celestial pantheon you have the chance for meaningful communication; can a human (God) even start to sit down and talk with an ant (mortal man)?




Well, when it comes to the difference in intellectual evolution between one human and another, I think the internal difference can be enormous.

The programs we are running in our brains can stop to expand at a young age in some individuals, while they expand at a much greater speed for other individuals during their entire lives. One person might have a program that is only a few gigabytes, while another person might have a program that is many terabytes. Naturally, a person with a huge program conceptualizes the universe quite differently from a person with a small program.




I agree, but good luck trying to wave the banner high for intellectual elitism.  The belief that all thinkers are equally intelligent will tend to have more success with memetic propagation just by the nature of the idea.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Zanthius]
    #10156835 - 04/13/09 11:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the dark conscious.
--Carl Jung




Since Carl Jung wasn't enlightened I don't think he knows a thing. Figures of light help you, figures of dark help themselves. I would rather hang out with the light beings.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: spyder]
    #10156838 - 04/13/09 11:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

How do you know he wasn't enlightened?

Many mentally ill see things.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Icelander]
    #10156842 - 04/13/09 11:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have the who's who of enlightened beings.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: spyder]
    #10156856 - 04/13/09 11:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So in other words you don't have a clue. :satansmoking:


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Icelander]
    #10156857 - 04/13/09 11:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Many mentally ill see things.




Yes they do. Everybody except the blind see things. The blind school is the only area of my city that doesn't get cell phone reception. Why won't they let the blind people make cell phone calls?


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Icelander]
    #10156859 - 04/13/09 11:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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So in other words you don't have a clue. :satansmoking:




I have more clues than you. It was colonel mustard in the library with the candle stick.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: spyder]
    #10156997 - 04/13/09 12:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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So in other words you don't have a clue. :satansmoking:




I have more clues than you. It was colonel mustard in the library with the candle stick.




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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Icelander]
    #10158189 - 04/13/09 04:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: DemonoftheDrop]
    #10158237 - 04/13/09 04:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Scary.:crazy2:


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Icelander]
    #10160593 - 04/13/09 10:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"In darkness there is light."

I'm not into this current, but it seems to be fairly popular these days.  Just watch out for Joy of Satan (unless you're into white supremacy).  It's not that they're dangerous, necessarily.  They're just lame-ass racists.  *shrug*  Let me make it clear I'm just talking about JoS, not all Spiritual Satanists as a whole.  Most could care less about race.

And YES the link you provided is part of the main JoS site....  Whether you're a racist or not, you can do better than them.  For instance, check out Jason King's YouTube Channel and the people he links to, such as Venus Satanas, Michael Ford and Paul Valentine.

Also, check out the books at Ixaxaar Literature, especially author E.A. Koetting.  They may label themselves as "Black Magick" rather than "Spiritual Satanism," but you'll be working with the same entities in a much less ridiculous manner than JoS ever will.  To tell you the truth, most people consider JoS to be a complete joke.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: sterbeklang]
    #10160652 - 04/13/09 10:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Also, check out the books at Ixaxaar Literature, especially author E.A. Koetting.




BTW, if you're just starting out and decide to go this route, you'll want "Works of Darkness."  Even though it's labeled "Advanced," it will work better for a beginner than "Kingdoms of Flame" or "Baneful Magick."  WoD was just reprinted, but they tend to sell out fast because Ixaxaar is a small publisher and their books seem to continually increase in popularity.  Yes, it's worth the money.  Save what you were gonna spend on joining some asinine group and spend it on one of their lovely hardcovers and international shipping instead.  The authors of these books are happier to talk to you than you think, but it's up to you to find them.  :wink:


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: sterbeklang]
    #10160855 - 04/13/09 11:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've been meaning to check out Koetting; thanks for the reminder!


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: sterbeklang]
    #10160956 - 04/13/09 11:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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"In darkness there is light."

I'm not into this current, but it seems to be fairly popular these days.  Just watch out for Joy of Satan (unless you're into white supremacy).  It's not that they're dangerous, necessarily.  They're just lame-ass racists.  *shrug*  Let me make it clear I'm just talking about JoS, not all Spiritual Satanists as a whole.  Most could care less about race.

And YES the link you provided is part of the main JoS site....  Whether you're a racist or not, you can do better than them.  For instance, check out Jason King's YouTube Channel and the people he links to, such as Venus Satanas, Michael Ford and Paul Valentine.

Also, check out the books at Ixaxaar Literature, especially author E.A. Koetting.  They may label themselves as "Black Magick" rather than "Spiritual Satanism," but you'll be working with the same entities in a much less ridiculous manner than JoS ever will.  To tell you the truth, most people consider JoS to be a complete joke.






Thanks for the info man, i will defiantly check that out


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: DemonoftheDrop]
    #10161158 - 04/13/09 11:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i will defiantly check that out




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    #10161436 - 04/14/09 12:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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One should always do research with a chip on their shoulder. :yesnod:




Yeah.  Question everything others say about it... including us.  Trust only yourself.  Some of the things we've mentioned in this thread... if you set foot on those paths, you're on your own buddy.  lol.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: sterbeklang]
    #10161487 - 04/14/09 01:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The Boogie Man might grab you when you're not looking!


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    #10162610 - 04/14/09 08:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The Boogie Man might grab you when you're not looking!




Or, as Koetting says, you may find yourself "frantically searching for Hell's emergency exit."  Depends on if you go the Venus Satanas route or the Order of Nine Angels route.  I think it can get pretty psychological on your ass.  It can go from being a pleasant, but naughty, hobby to becoming way too real way too fast.  :lolz0rz:

BTW, I should really post this interview here.  Enjoy!


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10163025 - 04/14/09 10:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:lol::lol:


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: sterbeklang]
    #10163261 - 04/14/09 12:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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sterbeklang said: Depends on if you go the Venus Satanas route or the Order of Nine Angels route.




I'm familiar with the Order of the Nine Angles (last I heard of Myatt he was stirring up trouble with the Muslims), but how does the Venus Satanas approach differ?


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: deCypher]
    #10163689 - 04/14/09 02:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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sterbeklang said: Depends on if you go the Venus Satanas route or the Order of Nine Angels route.




I'm familiar with the Order of the Nine Angles (last I heard of Myatt he was stirring up trouble with the Muslims), but how does the Venus Satanas approach differ?




Just off the top of my head, and in context of this conversation, I would say they differ in their appreciation of humanity.  This difference in appreciation leads to a difference in extremity.  A Venus Satanas-type is confirming her own humanity.  An ONA-type is trying to kill-off their "self" so that something new may come in and they're trying to do it as forcefully and abruptly as possible.

Venus Satanas is basically a neo-pagan with demonic affiliations.  There is not any imminent danger in following a program such as hers, unless you think YHWH is going to strike you down with a bolt of lightning for holding a conversation with Baphomet.  In Spiritual Satanism or Theistic Satanism, you are a human who goes through a process of transubstantiation in order to communicate with demons.  It is a relationship like any other.

Alternately, the first thing you do in the ONA, according to their documents, is thrust yourself into the wilderness for 3-6 months without even the most basic survival tools.  You could pretty much die right there before you even begin.  What's the point?  To make you stronger, to weed out the weak, and to create some sort of process of going beyond human form.  In my mind, Venus is human and remains human, whereas the ONA is trying to bring on some kind of ubermensch (they would have another word for it that I can't quite remember).

Venus would play down things such as human/animal sacrifice.  The dagger in her rituals is used for directing and focusing energy.  On the other hand, an ONA adherent would see no problem with "culling human dross."  To them, the life of one Satanist is worth a million of the rest of us.  They will go to great lengths to test others for weakness, abduct others, torture others and finally wedge the dagger deep in their heart during a ritual, pouring the energy of that life in a direction that benefits their own spiritual ascent.  In their philosophy, they accomplish ascent via the most sinister means possible.  The worse the better.  The more pain and suffering caused to others, the better.

Venus is trying to establish a community, whereas an ONA member might form a temple simply to use the new members for their own ascent.  They learn a lesson from it:  How to control others to meet your own ends.  In the ONA, it is open-ended what you can do with the people who come to you.  Running a Temple is only a way to learn a lesson and even those who come to learn from you as an Adept are expendable.  Venus would probably feel more of a connection to the people who come to her to learn and try to keep them safe.  (I must note here that she is a solitary practitioner and not a member of any group, nor does she head a group of her own.)

Let me discuss a couple of groups who take their impetus from the ONA.  In America there is the Tempel Ov Blood.  In Sweden there is the Temple of the Black Light.  The ToB wants to destroy humanity, that much is certain.  The TOTBL wants to destroy the universe as a whole.  In groups like this you may weaken yourself through physical ordeals such as starvation and things of that nature.  You thereby die, then come back to life.  After that you are no longer considered human and may even have your body inhabited by an Undead God, depending on the temple.  Venus would be more likely to wine, dine and feast to celebrate life.

Venus is trying to create a balance, whereas the ONA says that every ritual has the side-effect of bringing acausal (akarmic) energy into this world to go off on its own, cause mayhem and destroy life.  You get what you want out of the ritual, but you create this "nexion" or gateway through which this energy can enter.  It goes off and does its own thing.  You let it do what it wants.  It's none of your concern.

Plus, the ONA, ToB or TOTBL will go out in the world and cause mayhem in a physical manner as well.  The ToB is involved in extremist white supremacist organizations (the Christian Identity movement).  Not because they hate any particular race, but because they hate the human race.  They take the fear and hate of the people attracted to these groups and direct it toward violent activity, all in the name of Jesus.  They tell white people that they are the true Israelites and the Jews stole the title from them.  They take Bible verses and attach Satanic meanings to them in order to manipulate the prefabricated sheep.  Does it matter that the person who dies is "colored" or that the white guy who committed the crime goes to jail for the rest of his life?  Hell no.  Both occurrences are beneficial to their agenda.

Likewise, the TOTBL is involved with a gang in Stockholm known as the Werewolf Legion.  This gang is said to be much more violent than other more established gangs.  Like any other gang, they practice cocaine trafficking.  But it's not just to make money.  It's in order to find weak people (addicts) and usher them toward death.  It's all part of the killing.  This kind of activity is taken directly from the writings of Anton Long (Myatt).

Venus Satanas is basically a Wiccan who doesn't have a problem working with dark entities.  In that respect nothing is off-limits, but only in the spiritual sense.  The ONA is pathologically criminal.  Nothing is off-limits in ANY sense.  Whereas the ONA wants to destroy creation, Venus Satanas or Jason King would see that as throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  They want to inherit creation, enjoy life, not annihilate it.  When the ONA does a group ritual, it would be more likely to start a war rather than fulfill their piddly human desires.  They do invocations that bring demons into their bodies in order to live inside them, seeing the world through each others eyes, then cast the demon back out in just the nick of time... or die that way.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: sterbeklang]
    #10163727 - 04/14/09 02:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The ToB wants to destroy humanity, that much is certain.  The TOTBL wants to destroy the universe as a whole.




Very interesting, and I appreciate the lengthy response!

Destroying humanity I can see as an attainable goal; by destroying the Universe I presume you mean eliminating all life within it?  Or does this imply some sort of metacosmic annihilation of the space/time continuum?

Personally, the main problem I see with these sorts of groups is that there's no underlying rational motivation, besides from some instinctual drives towards violence and lust being satiated in these rituals.  I come from a darkly nihilistic background and although I can appreciate the utter drive towards Chaos that has manifested itself in archetypal form through these Satanic groups, I see no reason to prefer chaos over order when both choices are ultimately meaningless.

Are you aware of any magickal groups devoted towards Nothingness or nihilism as a group philosophy?


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    #10163737 - 04/14/09 02:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You may join my hedonnihilism group.:thumbup:


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    #10163787 - 04/14/09 02:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Destroying humanity I can see as an attainable goal; by destroying the Universe I presume you mean eliminating all life within it?  Or does this imply some sort of metacosmic annihilation of the space/time continuum?




No they mean it quite literally.  The end of space, time, creation, physical, metaphysical, what-fucking-ever.  lol.


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I see no reason to prefer chaos over order when both choices are ultimately meaningless.





The paradox in Chaos is that you can have whatever you want.  In order you're limited to certain laws.  In Chaos you can still have order... or a tasty burger...  Of course, consciousness is going to be a whole different matter entirely, if it even exists anymore.


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Are you aware of any magickal groups devoted towards Nothingness or nihilism as a group philosophy?




Yeah, it's call Buddhism.  I recommend the Buddha School Qigong of Falun Dafa over the traditional religion of Buddhism.  Though they are seriously Right-Hand-Path.... but what does that really mean in the end?  It's at a much higher level than anything else Buddhist, including what would be practiced in a monastic setting.  If you are truly nihilistic you will want to do the exercises, read Zhuan Falun... and not do much else.  Don't get involved in the shit going on in China or you'll find yourself on the street corner handing out brochures about forced labor camps and torture.  Just as with Chaos, if you become a Buddha you can have a tasty burger whenever you want.  However, the paradox in this case is that you probably won't want anything anyway.


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    #10163838 - 04/14/09 02:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ah yes, Buddhism.  I'll look into those links a bit later, but I've always been under the impression that even though Buddhism is a nihilistic philosophy they also tend to preach the Middle Way; something that involves compassion towards others and respect for all living beings (the Noble Eight-Fold Path).  I suppose I'd be looking more for a truly amoral nihilistic magickal practice; something more LHP than RHP.  (I dislike the morality inherent in most organized religion, and I sense that the immorality as practiced in groups such as the ONA is done more out of a deep sense of psychological rebellion against the establishment than for any deeper meaning.  Amorality is where it's at; I don't seek to promote love and care for humanity but at the same time I see no necessity for human culling unless I personally get a sadistic kick out of it.)

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    #10163932 - 04/14/09 02:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, you're correct.  The Fa, or Supreme Law of the Universe, in Falun Dafa is "Zhen Shan Ren" or Truthfulness, Compassion and Forbearance.  But part of reaching higher levels in this practice is paying off karma and you certainly don't want to generate anymore during this lifetime when you're trying to leave the wheel of reincarnation.  If you truly live by those three tenets, then you won't generate any more karma and the Master will arrange for your karmic debts to be paid off in chunks during this lifetime, so that you will return to your true self at the time of death, i.e. achieve consummation.

Now that I've thought about it for all of five minutes, I don't know why a nihilist would want a spirituality or magickal path at all.  The oppose of Love is not Hate and vice versa.  The opposite of both is Apathy.  Why not just stop caring so you don't have to go to so much work to embrace your nothingness?  Just throw it all away...  Though I think you're on the right path with your embrace of hedonism, because then you're just trying to pleasure yourself minute-by-minute and nothing else matters.  But hedonism fulfills and generates desire, and you will never achieve nothingness that way.  Perhaps during orgasm.


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    #10163934 - 04/14/09 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The ToB wants to destroy humanity, that much is certain.




How are they proceeding to reach this goal? I would recommend genetically engineered viruses. Too bad that satanists usually aren't clever enough to study biotechnology. :tongue:

And I thought satanism was all about being the strongest and most clever, while letting the weak and stupid die!


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Now that I've thought about it for all of five minutes, I don't know why a nihilist would want a spirituality or magickal path at all.  The oppose of Love is not Hate and vice versa.  The opposite of both is Apathy.  Why not just stop caring so you don't have to go to so much work to embrace your nothingness?  Just throw it all away...  Though I think you're on the right path with your embrace of hedonism, because then you're just trying to pleasure yourself minute-by-minute and nothing else matters.  But hedonism fulfills and generates desire, and you will never achieve nothingness that way.  Perhaps during orgasm.




Well, I'm not a nihilist in the sense of wanting to achieve nothingness (after all, I could commit suicide right now if I desired that).  The way I see it is that I'm on this planet for a limited amount of time, so I might as well try to experience the maximum pleasure that I can during this interval.  Magickal practices would therefore be useful to attain immortality (maximum prolongation of pleasures) and power (maximum hedonistic intensity).


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The ToB wants to destroy humanity, that much is certain.




How are they proceeding to reach this goal? I would recommend genetically engineered viruses.




Yeah, to be honest it seems like these groups really aren't doing a very good job of whatever it is they're doing.  It must be harder than it looks.


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Well, I'm not a nihilist in the sense of wanting to achieve nothingness (after all, I could commit suicide right now if I desired that).  The way I see it is that I'm on this planet for a limited amount of time, so I might as well try to experience the maximum pleasure that I can during this interval.  Magickal practices would therefore be useful to attain immortality (maximum prolongation of pleasures) and power (maximum hedonistic intensity).




Maybe you should study someone like Caligula and do whatever it is they did.  Then add in longevity practices such as exercise, dieting, pedophilia and drinking the blood of infants.


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    #10164066 - 04/14/09 03:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:super:

The Marquis de Sade is a much better role model than Caligula, though.  More intelligent and no preternatural obsessions with his horse.


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    #10164134 - 04/14/09 03:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Do you think they'll ever make a chain of resorts called Nihilism?  (As opposed to Hedonism.)  Imagine if you could just show up in Jamaica and start breaking things and taking shits on the beach.


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    #10164147 - 04/14/09 03:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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As Ice recommended, nihilistic hedonism is probably the most appealing.




The problem I see with hedonism is that the pursuit of pleasure ultimately just leads to decadence and decay, while hard work and the pursuit of knowledge ultimately leads to an improved state of being.

In a long term perspective you are probably better off with pursuing pain than with pursuing pleasure. Exposing yourself to pain gives your nervous system increased tolerance to pain.


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Do you think they'll ever make a chain of resorts called Nihilism?  (As opposed to Hedonism.)  Imagine if you could just show up in Jamaica and start breaking things and taking shits on the beach.




:lol:, it'd be fantastic while it lasted but I sense that Order embodied in local governments and ordinances would quickly step in.

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As Ice recommended, nihilistic hedonism is probably the most appealing.




The problem I see with hedonism is that the pursuit of pleasure ultimately just leads to decadence and decay, while hard work and the pursuit of knowledge ultimately leads to an improved state of being.

In a long term perspective you are probably better off with pursuing pain than with pursuing pleasure. Exposing yourself to pain gives your nervous system increased tolerance to pain.




But what's your long-term goal then?  I can definitely see the worth of some short-term pain in favor of long-term pleasure, but it sounds like you're pursuing an 'improved state of being' instead of a hedonistic goal.  How do you define this concept and what makes it more worthwhile than improving my personal sense of satisfaction?

Edit: I am favoring hedonistic nihilism with a loose sense of hedonism.  If you consider bettering yourself and your state of being to be pleasurable, then by all means this qualifies.  :cool:


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    #10164575 - 04/14/09 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Very interesting, I never knew that the Buddhist could be described as a nihilist but as my understanding goes they do believe in becoming enlightened by shedding all their worldly possessions, wants, desires, and rejecting society as a whole so that is pretty much what a nihilist is isnt it?? But the difference is they are not trying to create chaos and harm to their fellow people.  So this sect of Buddhist is a destructive chaotic branch of the original peaceful spiritual Buddhist monks????  All this dwelling on the dark arts is bringing me down so 

Good luck with worshiping death, destruction, and chaos as well as a second hand god or spirt or what ever you want to call it. 

Personaly I believe that Hell is the Absence of God and currently I cant find god anywhere on this earth so I believe this is hell and Until we can reach the highest level of enlightenment through trial and error of many lives we will ot be able to rejoin god and become one with the creator

I am really pissed that you satanist have taken the symbol of venous as your own because I believe in the mother and now when I were my star upside down people think I am some fucked up guy that worships Satan and shit.  Man that pisses me off.  I am a pegan but I have developed my own beliefs through research of other religions. 

In my thirst for knowledge I have discovered some similarity's that most major religions have.  I believe these to be the truths and they differ greatly due to the way the creator of the religion, not god, wants their people to act.

The major truth that most major religions speak of is the commandant DO NOT STEAL when you take a mans possessions without permission you are stealing and around the world it is punishable by death. 
When you murder someone you are stealing their right to live
When you are sleep with another man's woman than you are stealing his right to a family and home
When you steal his money then you are robbing his livelihood
If you are violent and hurt another man he is no longer able to work and provide for his family and you are stealing his way of life.

Every act of detriment to another person is an act of robbery.  You are a thief in my eyes and most everyone else.  these people that worship their dark lord are stealing my light and right or happiness.

It seams like you worship chaos and you should be worshiping Lord Shiva not Satan.  Shiva is the creator of chaos and destruction because after destruction come creation and new ways of life.  A wild Fire is necessary to clear land to make way for new life.
Living in Florida I have seen this many times a town is depressed and has a high rate of unemployment........... A large hurricane or Fire comes through and destroys the area............Now all those unemployed people have jobs getting paid to rebuild the area and the economy is boosted up and things are better than they were before............
That is Shiva the Destroyer  Who is only kept in check by his other half his wife and creator so the Hindi worship Shiva the destroyer and his wife the creator as far as I understand the Hindu religion.


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    #10164592 - 04/14/09 04:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Why would you worship the looser......It just doesn't make cents to me




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    #10164630 - 04/14/09 04:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

hedonistic nihilism is a great response to the................:sherlock:


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    #10164633 - 04/14/09 04:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That's why I prefer the Book of Lies. :evil2:


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    #10164636 - 04/14/09 04:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Crowley FTW.

I haven't read the Book of Lies yet; might have to order that this week.


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Crowley FTW.

I haven't read the Book of Lies yet; might have to order that this week.




Read Gurdjieff instead of Crowley, he is a thousand times more intelligent.

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    #10165683 - 04/14/09 07:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe you should start your on group deCypher, you could call it deCypher's deCyples, shit I just couldn't resist such a cheesy pun :tongue:.


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    #10165736 - 04/14/09 07:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Didn't think that this thread would be so populare..good to see people the left side of things :yesnod:


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    #10166060 - 04/14/09 08:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the truth is no matter how much I hate the dark spiritual world I am well aware of its existence for it gives balance to the world and with out Satan or whatever you call it, than I would have no basis for my beliefs.

There is no good with out evil and there is no creation without destruction. 

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Very interesting, I never knew that the Buddhist could be described as a nihilist but as my understanding goes they do believe in becoming enlightened by shedding all their worldly possessions, wants, desires, and rejecting society as a whole so that is pretty much what a nihilist is isnt it?? But the difference is they are not trying to create chaos and harm to their fellow people.  So this sect of Buddhist is a destructive chaotic branch of the original peaceful spiritual Buddhist monks????  All this dwelling on the dark arts is bringing me down so.

Good luck with worshiping death, destruction, and chaos as well as a second hand god or spirt or what ever you want to call it. 




Are you speaking directly to me?  Because you replied to my post and there are a couple things you have misconstrued from my writings:

Just because I have a knowledge of Satanism does not make me a Satanist.  I am not.  Yes, I considered all forms of it at one time.  It was not a good fit and ultimately not what I was looking for.  Yes, I know a Black Magickian personally and treat him like any other friend because he's a nice guy.  He's taught me a lot.  No, I am not a Satanist.

Part two, just because I called Buddhism and Dafa nihilistic does not mean I extrapolate it out to mean that it's destructive and chaotic.  I think I made it clear that Falun Dafa is about Truthfulness, Compassion and Tolerance.  At least you realize that their viewpoints on the earthly world could fall under the category of "nihilism," so we have no problem there.

I think both of those things were made painfully clear in my writing.  I talked about Satanists in the third person and I came right out and agreed with DeCypher that Buddhism values compassion, then added truthfulness and forbearance.

In conclusion:  Yes, some of the people who worship the dark gods are trying to take away your "right to happiness."  They provide the antithesis to all that you believe is right and wrong.  Some of them are out to get you.  They want to hurt you.  Not you personally, but everyone.  And no matter what you believe, you need to know they're there.  Besides, without them, certain spiritual paths would be meaningless.  They are providing a service.  In the words of atheistic hedonist Anton LaVey:  "Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, having kept it in business all these years!"  There are different types of Satanists.  Some are destroying so that new and better creations may come along.  Some are destroying just to destroy.  Some are just trying to get laid.  That has pretty much been the main pulse of this thread.


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    #10166267 - 04/14/09 08:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I am not speaking to anyone specific I am sorry it you took it like that




No problem.  Just wanted to set the record straight, just in case.  Turns out we were both speaking in somewhat abstract terms.


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In conclusion:  Yes, some of the people who worship the dark gods are trying to take away your "right to happiness."  They provide the antithesis to all that you believe is right and wrong.  Some of them are out to get you.  They want to hurt you.  Not you personally, but everyone.  And no matter what you believe, you need to know they're there.  Besides, without them, certain spiritual paths would be meaningless.  They are providing a service.  In the words of atheistic hedonist Anton LaVey:  "Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, having kept it in business all these years!"  There are different types of Satanists.  Some are destroying so that new and better creations may come along.  Some are destroying just to destroy.  Some are just trying to get laid.  That has pretty much been the main pulse of this thread.




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    #10166314 - 04/14/09 08:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

this was directed at any satanist
Good luck with worshiping death, destruction, and chaos as well as a second hand god or spirit or what ever you want to call it.

The rest was kind of a question about the monks and is there a nihilistic sect of monks???? an actual question directed at you
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this was directed at any satanist
Good luck with worshiping death, destruction, and chaos as well as a second hand god or spirit or what ever you want to call it.




Out of curiosity, why do you refer to Evil as second hand?

Seems to me that both Good and Evil, being equally valid concepts of the human mind, are equivalently powerful forces in Ultimate Reality.


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    #10166381 - 04/14/09 08:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I guess I have just been bread to think of good as being better that evil.  That is the only reason i can really come up with.  Truthfully I dont know of anything that is 100% good and 100% evil they do seem to need each other and there is always a little bad with the good and good with the bad and so on. 
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    #10166397 - 04/14/09 08:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I guess I have just been bread to think of good as being better that evil.  That is the only reason i can really come up with.  Truthfully I dont know of anything that is 100% good and 100% evil they do seem to need each other and there is always a little bad with the good and good with the bad and so on. 
I like these conversations when i am stoned:cheers:




For sure, I mean Good is always self-evidently better than Evil.  It all depends upon your subjective emotional judgments as to what is right and what is wrong; the key is to recognize that this is subjective and that there is no grand teleological ethic in place.


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    #10166432 - 04/14/09 09:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The rest was kind of a question about the monks and is there a nihilistic sect of monks???? an actual question directed at you sterbeklang.





Yeah, I think the monastic process itself is rather nihilistic.  When you join a temple there are usually certain things you have to do immediately.  You give up all material possessions, you stop eating meat, you leave your life behind and go out in the middle of nowhere and lock yourself away in order to meditate and cultivate yourself.  They abandon everything material in order to grow spiritually.

Dafa is a little different in that they behave monastically, but they remain in the ordinary world with ordinary people.  Behaving like a monk, practicing compassion while mired in ordinary society, is what makes them cultivate so quickly.  What others take years or lifetimes to do in the isolation of a monastery is achieved in a very short amount of time.  They can keep their material possessions, but must simultaneously lose their attachment to them.  I don't want to get too far into it because it's not the topic of this thread, but I think you see where I'm going.


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    #10168332 - 04/15/09 01:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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the truth is no matter how much I hate the dark spiritual world I am well aware of its existence for it gives balance to the world and with out Satan or whatever you call it, than I would have no basis for my beliefs.




And I thought ANY hatred was of a dark spiritual nature. Doesn't really matter what you hate.


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    #10168388 - 04/15/09 01:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What if I hate the Devil?


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What if I hate the Devil?




Well, that would be kinda like the devil hating himself, because it is always the devil doing the hating.


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What if I hate the Devil?




Then you'd be inadvertently giving the dark side power.  :wink:

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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Zanthius]
    #10168418 - 04/15/09 01:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What if I hate the person who raped my mother, tortured my siblings, and burned my entire family alive?


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    #10168448 - 04/15/09 01:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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What if I hate the person who raped my mother, tortured my siblings, and burned my entire family alive?




No matter what you hate, hatred is still of a dark spiritual nature. I hate many things, but it is the devil inside of me that feels the hatred.


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    #10168452 - 04/15/09 01:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It'd be a natural emotion and reaction to that situation, but is it really a constructive emotion?


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    #10168466 - 04/15/09 01:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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What if I hate the person who raped my mother, tortured my siblings, and burned my entire family alive?




No matter what you hate, hatred is still of a dark spiritual nature. I hate many things, but it is the devil inside of me that feels the hatred.



Would you say that there is a such thing as justified revenge?


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It'd be a natural emotion and reaction to that situation, but is it really a constructive emotion?



It largely depends on what one aims to construct.


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It'd be a natural emotion and reaction to that situation, but is it really a constructive emotion?



That largely depends on what one aims to construct.




When forming a morality, one would hope one would aim to construct peace and serenity for both the individual and the individual's community.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: deCypher]
    #10168497 - 04/15/09 01:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

True, but if the community harbors a menace who disturbs this peaceful serenity, then something must be done to correct this problem in order to maintain said peaceful serenity.


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    #10168502 - 04/15/09 01:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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One should always do research with a chip on their shoulder. :yesnod:




Yeah.  Question everything others say about it... including us.  Trust only yourself.  Some of the things we've mentioned in this thread... if you set foot on those paths, you're on your own buddy.  lol.




of course you are on your own... everytime you take their knowledge you are looking at it in a different way and figuring it out in a different way then you would if you had come up with it on your own through actual experience... realize it and keep it tucked away to sort of guide your own true actions as they come... sometimes it is bullshit so you shouldnt think of it as true just as someone elses truth and only maybe....if you think that it could convince you of it as truth too.. even though another part of you will fight it just to say its not truth maybe... lol mayyyyybbbbbeeeee baabbby:bigjoint:


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True, but if the community harbors a menace who disturbs this peaceful serenity, then something must be done to correct this problem in order to maintain said peaceful serenity.




Correct.  Why must this involve hatred?


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    #10168515 - 04/15/09 01:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

edit: sheeit correct correct correcct

but does it matter if hatred is involved in helping the individual help himself???


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    #10168529 - 04/15/09 01:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It mustn't necessarily, but it might; passion is a good fuel for assisting one in accomplishing, or at least pursuing drastic measures.


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Yeah, reason is the slave of the passions and all that.  I doubt it's even possible to escape the animal instincts in motivating our decisions.


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    #10168561 - 04/15/09 01:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

mmmmmmmmmmmhhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

yea yea

someone please help us mere mortals who know nothing about nothing!!!! shed light on these subjects and we will worship you as a godd!!!!


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: deCypher]
    #10168599 - 04/15/09 01:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"Yeah, reason is the slave of the passions and all that."

Sometimes passion(s) can be reasonable, too! :awesome:


"I doubt it's even possible to escape the animal instincts in motivating our decisions."

Eh, I think it's possible, but just not very easy. It depends on ones motivations...


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    #10168601 - 04/15/09 01:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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It mustn't necessarily, but it might; passion is a good fuel for assisting one in accomplishing, or at least pursuing drastic measures.




Maybe, and I am not sure if hatred necessarily is a bad thing, even if it is of a dark spiritual nature. Personally I think my spirit feels too lightweight without any hatred, and too heavy with too much hatred. It is all about balance.


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    #10168604 - 04/15/09 01:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I say fuck it... unleash the beast!  :awesome:


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: deCypher]
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It mustn't necessarily, but it might; passion is a good fuel for assisting one in accomplishing, or at least pursuing drastic measures.




Maybe, and I am not sure if hatred necessarily is a bad thing, even if it is of a dark spiritual nature. Personally I think my spirit feels too lightweight without any hatred, and too heavy with too much hatred.



So either you're spiritually lean, spiritually bulimic, or spiritually obese? I love the analogy! :yesnod:



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I say fuck it... unleash the beast!  :awesome:




Fuck yeah! :minigun:


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    #10169087 - 04/15/09 03:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Crowley FTW.

I haven't read the Book of Lies yet; might have to order that this week.




Read Gurdjieff instead of Crowley, he is a thousand times more intelligent.

I especially recommend Beelzebub's tales to his grandson.




A member of the O.T.O. once told me that Crowley was all a secret joke in a secret language.  Even though I read Crowley extensively at one point in my life, I'm still not entirely sure if I properly get the joke....  :shrug:  I can tell when he's talking shit, which is pretty much 85-95% of the time and I remember my college academic adviser, a Psychology professor, once telling me that "lies are a type of truth."  So if you know when he's lying and read with your bullshit detector on, you are probably getting a pretty solid dose of wisdom about something-or-other.  hehe.


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    #10169091 - 04/15/09 03:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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"Yeah, reason is the slave of the passions and all that."

Sometimes passion(s) can be reasonable, too! :awesome:


"I doubt it's even possible to escape the animal instincts in motivating our decisions."

Eh, I think it's possible, but just not very easy. It depends on ones motivations...




wouldnt motivation be considered ones passion...???


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Mastamike1118]
    #10169143 - 04/15/09 03:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Not necessarily. For example, when one is sitting on the toilet, they are motivated to release their bowels so their feces falls in the water; passion, in this case, had absolutely nothing to do with it. :nonono:


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    #10169152 - 04/15/09 03:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

damn that is crazy.... but i could argue it isnt necessarily motivation.... but a natural function of your body to shit when neccesseray and the motivation of yourself to go to the toilet instead of to shit your pants...

edit: what does passion have to do with anything other than you caring about something so you put a little extra effort into it???


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Mastamike1118]
    #10169181 - 04/15/09 03:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"....but i could argue it isnt necessarily motivation..."

"the motivation of yourself to go to the toilet instead of to shit your pants..."

There it is! :thumbup:


"what does passion have to do with anything other than you caring about something so you put a little extra effort into it???"

I'd say that passion, in a nutshell, is emotionally driven motivation.


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Man I missed a lot last night all very interesting.  I had some everclear and cranberry and passed out.  :crazy2:


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    #10171797 - 04/15/09 03:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I get motivated when my bowels get moved to head for the john so I can unleash my dirty emotions into the Pool of Evil Spirits and flush them to where the evil Satan live in the depths of the Underworld.

So if I get embarrassed by shitting my pants there would be an emotional motivation to shit in the John and not in my Pants.  I would say that I am definitely emotionally motivated to not shit in my pants.


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    #10171994 - 04/15/09 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Adult depends, works everytime.:thumbup:


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    #10172342 - 04/15/09 05:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Poid, you must be at least 18 to use the minigun smiley. :nono:



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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: chef Jay]
    #10172356 - 04/15/09 05:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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chef Jay said:
I get motivated when my bowels get moved to head for the john so I can unleash my dirty emotions into the Pool of Evil Spirits and flush them to where the evil Satan live in the depths of the Underworld.

So if I get embarrassed by shitting my pants there would be an emotional motivation to shit in the John and not in my Pants.  I would say that I am definitely emotionally motivated to not shit in my pants.




I wasn't talking about shitting your pants, I was just talking about intentionally releasing your bowels over the toilet. I know one could argue that people can be passionate about shitting, but as far as I know, it's not very common.
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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Poid]
    #10172399 - 04/15/09 05:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Talk to old people.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Icelander]
    #10172409 - 04/15/09 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Poid]
    #10172430 - 04/15/09 06:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I want to talk to Poid, who can represent him, or channel him???


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: mr.bixby]
    #10172531 - 04/15/09 06:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Me...:shrug:


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Poid]
    #10172563 - 04/15/09 06:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

puppet


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Icelander]
    #10172608 - 04/15/09 06:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: Poid]
    #10173354 - 04/15/09 08:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: spiritual satanism [Re: sterbeklang]
    #10185005 - 04/17/09 04:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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A member of the O.T.O. once told me that Crowley was all a secret joke in a secret language.  Even though I read Crowley extensively at one point in my life, I'm still not entirely sure if I properly get the joke....  :shrug:  I can tell when he's talking shit, which is pretty much 85-95% of the time and I remember my college academic adviser, a Psychology professor, once telling me that "lies are a type of truth."  So if you know when he's lying and read with your bullshit detector on, you are probably getting a pretty solid dose of wisdom about something-or-other.  hehe.




Actually I kinda liked "The Book of The Law" when I was younger, but after reading some of Crowley's other books, I couldn't make myself believe that he had written it. I thought he was too stupid to have written something like that, so I actually believed for a while that it was this entity called "Aiwass" who had dictated it to him.


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