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BRF Cakes/Monotub/Bulk project -She's all done at 92.3g dry
#10152387 - 04/12/09 02:18 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Edit: The grow is done... this is how.
So I had about 7 pints (actually a little more than 4qts total) of BRF Cakes that had fully colonized and I had already decided that birthing the cakes using an FC and Fan/Misting was a complete waste of time considering the yield. What should I do?
I decided to break up the cakes and spawn them to bulk substrate. I birthed each cake directly into a ziplock bag and began crushing them up. Pieces were about dime size or smaller.
So I used just over half a brick of coir, one quart of vermiculite and one quart of spent coffee grounds.(dead's Coir Tek / Large_Dose's pasteurization tek / Ohmatic's Monotub). Five Layers starting with a bottom layer of substrate that was about 1/2"-3/4" thick, then a layer of spawn that was about an inch thick and I left about an inch around the edges all the way around without spawn. Another inch or so of substrate then the rest of the spawn spread evenly but not right to the edges. Then a covering layer about 1/2"-3/4" thick of substrate. No spawn showing up top at all. No "icing layer" or anything.
My Monotub has five holes (about 2")on each long side and one on each short side. Filled the monotub holes with polyfill and placed in a dark area (unfortunately my dark area is only 65-70 degrees but it still works) and at 5 days, here we are...
9 days later or so and here we are:
Colonization was slow so I taped up the holes....
So at 24 days.... I've fully fruited this mono. I have a bunch of very thin pins. The first pin has actually fallen over. Hope all turns out well. Any signs of contam and I will just toss it.
Picked some of the flush this morning. Here are the first 10 or so shrooms. I'm waiting on the other veils to break....
The thin fruits really filled in pretty well. Picked the last of them yesterday. Missing cap is the print I'm making.
Just got done drying the rest of the flush.... Grand total this flush (dry) =
2nd = 29.8g
3rd = 22.2
4th = 16.8
NOTES:
1. Don't use poly right off. Cover the holes with tape untill colonized 2. Use Ohmatic's or Monstermitchs monotube Tek.... less holes. 3. MIX THE SUB AND SPAWN.... I did layers.... works but takes longer to colonize. Next time I'll mix to speed things up. 4. A little warmer than 65-70 degrees would definitely help too.
Edited by AlienTechKilla (09/28/09 10:05 PM)
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looks nice! i cant wait til i get some fresh sporeprints and try my first bulk on horseshit
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: virus1824]
#10206848 - 04/21/09 12:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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9 days later or so and here we are:
There is some discoloration in the pics that I can't see in person so well. I don't know if it's bad or drying but colonization is taking it's sweet time. Any words of encouragement would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10206882 - 04/21/09 12:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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That is alot of holes for a monotub. Im anxious too see what kind of results you get by doing that.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: drainhaven]
#10206925 - 04/21/09 12:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I had heard that more holes would be better for fruiting. Those holes are super stuffed with polyfil. I'm very anxious myself. Have you ever done a mono? Everything looking OK to YOU? Im not sure if it's drying or anything. I'm always very worried about everything.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10206939 - 04/21/09 12:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I believe the toughest part of doing monotubs is getting the balance of fresh air while preserving humidity.
Plus you'll get different results with different strains even with the same conditions.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10207010 - 04/21/09 12:45 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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What size is your tub?
I have been doing monotubs for a few years and am very happy with them.
Depending on the size of your tub, your spawn ratio may have been a little low.
I use 6 quarts of WBS spawn for an 18 gallon tub. I break the spawn up really well and then just mix it in with the bulk sub ..... (so I can see some WBS grains on the surface, inevitable .... your thing with not using a frosting layer is good.)
For me, at one day after spawn, I can see the myc. recovering. At day two, it is growing well. At day three or four, the tub is really growing ... it is WARM and there is condensation.
I use the warmth of the tub as an indicator of how it is growing .... obviously you can see the myc. on the surface ... but the heat generated from the myc. growth is a good indicator.
At around day six or so, I don't feel as much heat. And my tubs are fully colonized and consolidated around day nine or ten.
If my tubs aren't fully colonized in that 10 day window, I start to worry about contamination.
Your lower colonization temperatures will help against contamination.
Is the bottom of your tub warm from myc. growth ?
Good luck MAN.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: uncle_rico]
#10207167 - 04/21/09 01:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the reply.
My temps are low between 65-70 degrees and I don't have a warmer area unfortunately. The bottom of the tub feels cool at best room temp but not warmer. I have a 27qt sterlite tub with foil lining the bottom. Just over 4qts of spawn to 1/2 brick of coir/1qt Verm/1qt Coffee. I got the recipe for the spawn from dead's coir tek.
Hope this helps.
Does it look like it's drying out?
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10207235 - 04/21/09 01:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I will be doing my first grow with one. Im going to do the standard holes, but will have another to experiment with, so Im bookmarking. Sorry I dont have much advice but I will be using this:
Terrarium Hygro/Thermometer
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10207532 - 04/21/09 02:24 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Let's see ..... 27 qts. divided by 4 equals 6.75 gallon tub ......
OK .... your 4 quarts of spawn is plenty.
The color of the coir substrate in your second batch of photos looks lighter than the first photo .... so I would say it is drying somewhat.
I colonize my tubs with micropore tape on the holes and then go to polyfill for fruiting .... this helps keep CO2 in the tub for colonization .... and then the polyfill is good for FAE during fruiting. This also helps with moisture loss.
Good luck to you.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: uncle_rico]
#10207574 - 04/21/09 02:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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How is this mono-tub being semi-sealed during this spawn run?
After you've spawned your grain you should tape up the holes(since you'll be getting enough gas exchange through the imperfect seal in the lid) and let it sit til a few days after 100%.
If that tub is sitting there with polyfil in the holes during the spawn run this is why its going so slow and may be dried out. You're introducing a ton of FAE during the spawn run, with all the polyfil, AND with taking the lid off to take pictures.
During the spawn run the mono can be in open light. The only time you should focus on keeping it in the dark would be around the few days after 100% that you allow the substrate to consolidate prior to fruiting.
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Edited by shroomzey (04/21/09 02:35 PM)
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: shroomzey]
#10208589 - 04/21/09 05:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can also have the polyfil in the holes during colonization, but put a blanket or something similar over the tub to reduce the amount of FAE. Once the tub is ready for fruiting just take the blanket off.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: kjb1891]
#10209017 - 04/21/09 06:06 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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kjb1891 said: You can also have the polyfil in the holes during colonization, but put a blanket or something similar over the tub to reduce the amount of FAE. Once the tub is ready for fruiting just take the blanket off.
A better idea would be to wrap the whole thing up in a plastic trash bag, it has enough air to get it through the spawn run. But, why even leave the polyfil in the holes? We want gas exchange not fresh air during spawning, and leaving those holes exposed with polyfil, or micropore, or whatever doesn't really matter cause you still have the imperfect seal in the lid, which is enough to provide GE.
So, just tape the holes, and you don't have to worry about covering it up with a blanket or do anything else, it doesn't need to be in the dark either. Besides, its nice cause when its time to fruit, you rip the tape off and don't put polyfil in just yet. Let it get hit by a mass of fresh air right when you fruit. The substrate surface will evaporate a lot of water off to initiate pinning and then put polyfil in the holes ONLY AS NEEDED. If you can maintain humidity, remove as much polyfil as possible. Think of polyfil as a fresh air restriction, yet helps retain humidity. Use it to balance the need for both humidity and as much FAE as possible.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: shroomzey]
#10209524 - 04/21/09 07:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I tape up my holes during colonization. I give them 10 days then open to fruiting conditions, case lightly and begin misting 12/12 cycle.
No need for bags, blankets, darkness or any other stuff.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: shroomzey]
#10209604 - 04/21/09 07:22 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wasn't saying that the method I mentioned was better or anything. So, I hope that you didn't think that's what I was saying.
That's just what I do and I've never had any kind of problem with it at all. So, I just thought I'd suggest it as an option.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: Spongiform]
#10209740 - 04/21/09 07:39 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Now that I think about it, I have been duct taping the holes for colonization the past few times.
I did test micropore tape against polyfill for fruiting and decided I liked the improved FAE with the polyfill. This was tested on Cambodian and Brazilian.
Funny .... the PE isolate I've got in monotubs now seems to do better being neglected. If I mist it like I did with the Cambo. and Braz., it develops spots on the fruits and the small pins start to abort .... weird, but that's what I am finding with this PE isloate .... neglect works ... so it is perfect for monotubs.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: uncle_rico]
#10211355 - 04/22/09 12:12 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I did have the tub covered with 2 thick blankets to prevent pinning, since I heard that is an issue. I've gone on shroomzey good word and pulled the polyfil and taped over the holes with packing tape so that some CO2 can build up and maybe induce stronger myc growth. Dunno if it is drying out on me but I'm afraid to mist so any suggestions there would be GGGRRREEEAAAATTTT!!!
Thanks
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10211671 - 04/22/09 01:25 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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To mist or not to mist?
I would not mist now .... let it continue to colonize ... on the dry side is probably better than on the wet side.
When you fruit it, you can mist. Some growers even dunk their substrates before the first flush.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10211804 - 04/22/09 02:08 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: FoxFire]
#10212584 - 04/22/09 08:56 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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The rubbermaid tubs I use don't seal air tight so there is some gas exchange, but it's minimal.
I don't mist until I remove the duct tape, case and begin providing constant fae which causes the top layer to dry out a little, so I mist to replace the lost moisture and to keep the humidity up.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: Spongiform]
#10229779 - 04/25/09 12:59 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Since covering up the holes.... Myc growth has increased well. Almost completely colonized. How long should it be colonized (all white) before I fruit?
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10229858 - 04/25/09 01:32 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: transkei]
#10230958 - 04/25/09 12:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice pic of myc but it doesn't exactly answer my question. It does, how ever, look very tasty.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10230992 - 04/25/09 12:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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13 days so far....
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10231252 - 04/25/09 01:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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You generally want solid white growth with some aerial action (stuff growing upwards).
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: Spongiform]
#10231726 - 04/25/09 03:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Spongiform said: You generally want solid white growth with some aerial action (stuff growing upwards).
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: transkei]
#10231861 - 04/25/09 03:53 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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i just started my first mono as well. it's a 58qt, coir/verm/coffee with 5 qts wbs spawn. i lined the bottom with black plastic and the tub is clear. i have 2 - 2" holes on each side with poly fill. it's been 3 days and it seems to be colonizing fine but i can only see the top and it's mostly spawn on top so
does that sound about right?
will i need more fae during fruiting than 8 holes will allow?
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: artizen]
#10234394 - 04/26/09 12:50 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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artizen said: i just started my first mono as well. it's a 58qt, coir/verm/coffee with 5 qts wbs spawn. i lined the bottom with black plastic and the tub is clear. i have 2 - 2" holes on each side with poly fill. it's been 3 days and it seems to be colonizing fine but i can only see the top and it's mostly spawn on top so
does that sound about right?
will i need more fae during fruiting than 8 holes will allow?
From what I've been told, it would be better to cover the holes with tape for now. Just so the co2 levels can raise a bit to encourage myc growth. Though I was told to fill with Polyfil right off as well. To much FAE, I guess, can slow the process a bit. I covered my holes and the myc has been going well ever since.
As for the spawn on top, I heard that could go bad, but not sure why. I know lots of people used a light "frosting layer" but I skipped out on that. When you say most of your "spawn" is on top, what exactly do you mean? On top of the substrate that your spawning too? If so, I've never heard of such a thing but again, take all this info as though it came from someone who has only done 5 grows and this is my first Mono.
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Edited by AlienTechKilla (04/26/09 12:59 AM)
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10235008 - 04/26/09 05:10 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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AlienTechKilla said: As for the spawn on top, I heard that could go bad, but not sure why. I know lots of people used a light "frosting layer" but I skipped out on that. When you say most of your "spawn" is on top, what exactly do you mean? On top of the substrate that your spawning too? If so, I've never heard of such a thing but again, take all this info as though it came from someone who has only done 5 grows and this is my first Mono.
ATK
The initial explanation that I've heard is that sometimes the kernels get opened up during spawning, allowing the possibility of a contam getting foothold on a kernels that wasn't completely colonized by mycelium(since these were sterilized and not pasteurized, there is no bacteria to possibly fight off the germination of contaminant fungal spores). I've left them exposed before with success and with failure, so I can't be too sure if that was the real source...
But I prefer covering the kernels with a thin layer of bulk simply so that the mycelium reaches up in a more aerial form, I think this leads towards a better pinning surface than horizontal growth. And when you have the above explanation as well, why not?
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: shroomzey]
#10235629 - 04/26/09 10:08 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sroomzy.... or any other experienced cultivator. I know, I know.... I should have never opened it to take pics.... I KNOW. Just got excited. Anyway, now I have one all white, LONE pin. Maybe to much FAE when I opened it or from when I had the polyfil in. Don't know what I should do now. FRUIT OR WAIT. I mean it's just one pin, but I don't want it to rot...... PLEASE GUIDE ME OL' WISE ONES!!!
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10235892 - 04/26/09 11:20 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm in no position to tell you what to do in that situation, but I have been overly anxious with a mini-tub project(coir/coffee/verm), saw a pin before 100% colonizaton iand reacted by moving it to the FC. It all went downhill from there. You should probably let the pin go, maybe pick it if it becomes a problem. All of that aside, you should wait until you've got solid white, 100% colonized surface before fruiting it.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: fungusapien]
#10236297 - 04/26/09 12:45 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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So your idea is to leave the pin but not introduce it to fruiting conditions and only if it starts to rot or something, pull it? Is there any tells that would indicate the pin is rotting? At this point I'm afraid to even look at the tub... Damn my excitement!
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10237116 - 04/26/09 03:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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There is a chance it will develop into a fully mature fruit without being in the FC. Yeah, you should minimize the number of times you check that tub. At least allow two or three days go by without opening it. If that pin turns grey or black it has aborted and you should just pull it off. You'd be losing one mushroom out of the hundreds you will potentially get out of this tub when it is fully colonized and really ready to fruit.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: fungusapien]
#10237245 - 04/26/09 03:37 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, let it finish up, the pin could be from the early introduction of FAE, or the mycelium encountering a contam. Either way, allowing it to finish up will result in better performance than just fruiting it now, fruiting early is no bueno.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: shroomzey]
#10238145 - 04/26/09 06:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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AlienTechKilla said: As for the spawn on top, I heard that could go bad, but not sure why. I know lots of people used a light "frosting layer" but I skipped out on that. When you say most of your "spawn" is on top, what exactly do you mean? On top of the substrate that your spawning too? If so, I've never heard of such a thing but again, take all this info as though it came from someone who has only done 5 grows and this is my first Mono.
ATK
The initial explanation that I've heard is that sometimes the kernels get opened up during spawning, allowing the possibility of a contam getting foothold on a kernels that wasn't completely colonized by mycelium(since these were sterilized and not pasteurized, there is no bacteria to possibly fight off the germination of contaminant fungal spores). I've left them exposed before with success and with failure, so I can't be too sure if that was the real source...
But I prefer covering the kernels with a thin layer of bulk simply so that the mycelium reaches up in a more aerial form, I think this leads towards a better pinning surface than horizontal growth. And when you have the above explanation as well, why not?
yeah that's pretty much it. i added spawn,sub,spawn,sub mixing as i added and at the end i had more spawn than sub so i did the 'frosting layer' and sprinkled the rest of the sub material on top (1/8" or less).
i wouldn't worry about the 1 fruit. this is my first mono tub but, i've had plenty of grows where i got just a couple fruits for 4-5 days then BAM, the whole substrate went nuts.
the fat one in the background was the only one for the first 4 days. i didn't even have to pick it sooner it just got bigger.
and a little more mutated, sometimes thats the best part.
the little fucker in my sig is another sub from the same grow.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: artizen]
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I give my tubs 10 solid days before opening. I also use a viewport so I can peek whenever to check the progress or look for contams. They generally appear to be fully colonized by day 7 or so, but i give them 3 extra days to make sure they're well established.
You want the holes plugged/taped up and no opening. Fresh air exchange is a pinning trigger and will slow down the colonization AND risk contam's getting in.
I just mix my stuff together as best as I can and smooth it out. I don't use a frosting layer but there's usually a few visible grains here and there. I quit using a frosting layer after this grew on an exposed grain:
After day 10 I case LIGHTLY and leave spots of myc visble here and there. So it kind of mimics a thick casing with myc growing through. Sometimes the myc eats the casing so I sprinkle a bit more after a few days. Generally it takes 4-7 days for pins to appear.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: Spongiform]
#10250708 - 04/28/09 04:51 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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So it's been a total of 16 days and the tub is whiter than my last pic and still has the lone pin plus a few knots on the surface but doesn't look as white as this one:
The pin is about 3inchs long, very thin, no real cap that I can see. There is condensation on all sides of the tub, not a ton but enough to make seeing in a challenge and I'd really prefer not to open it again.
I'm kinda at a loss on what I should do. Has anyone else had a stubborn mono like this before? Is it because my spawn was BRF Cakes instead of grain or rye? Any ideas?
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10250931 - 04/28/09 05:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Personally, I have never been able to successfully use shredded brf cakes as spawn. I tried multiple times but it would never colonize all of the substrate. Maybe I did something wrong, not sure.
When I used the same methods but wbs instead of brf cakes, huuuge difference, colonizes in no time.
If your sub looks fully colonized(entire surface area is white) then introduce it to fruiting conditions.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: cosmictaco]
#10250992 - 04/28/09 05:39 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anyone else? Is leaving it to long an issue? Fruiting it early I imagine would/could result in contams grabbing the unused substrate but what risk is there to just leaving it say another week or so? I know the myc is still growing, it's just creeping along. From what I've read most people have full colonization within 14 days and I'll always be a worry wort.
fltdriver is sending me a care package that I plan to make some Karo or Honey LC from, then I'll be doing some WBS myself. I'll also be going for like 6qts of spawn to coffee/coir.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10256816 - 04/29/09 04:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is it close enough to fruit? There are a few pins now and like always, I question what I should be doing.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10265581 - 04/30/09 09:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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i'm not sure i understand what you mean. i thought the purpose of a mono tub is for the sub to do it's own thing? it should just fruit when it's ready and by the looks of it, your ready.
oh, sorry. i forgot you covered the holes to help it colonize, right?
hey if your getting some pins i'd say give em' some air. go for it. how many days has it been? 7-8?
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: artizen]
#10265827 - 04/30/09 09:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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17 days!!!!!! I just put the polyfil back in. I'm thinking.... fuc it. I'll fruit and if anything goes bad... I'll ditch. There is at least 8 pins and 2 knots in there. It's my first mono and I know I already made a few foe pars and I'll be starting my second this week so we'll see.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project *some PIN PORN* [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10272179 - 05/02/09 07:32 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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So at 24 days.... I've fully fruited this mono. I have a bunch of very thin pins. The first pin has actually fallen over. Hope all turns out well. Any signs of contam and I will just toss it.
Comments?
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project *some PIN PORN* [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10290025 - 05/05/09 12:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Picked some of the flush this morning. Here are the first 10 or so shrooms. I'm waiting on the other veils to break....
I got a bunch of little guys.... around 2" or so. Will these mature further? How long in your opinion? Should I just pick them when the rest are ready just to finish the flush or wait?
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project *some PIN PORN* [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10290302 - 05/05/09 01:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hell yeah man looks like its looking up for you after all. Im in the middle of my first cake runs, I really just want to do a mono tub though. I'll have 12 1/2 pints of B+, 12 Burmas, and 12 Golden Teachers. Would you recommend I take one of the strains and use them for a monotub after I colonize my jars? Or will I not have enough?
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project *some PIN PORN* [Re: ezwider]
#10290363 - 05/05/09 01:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I used about 7 pint jars of BRF in this mono. It's both Z-Strain and Golden Teacher. It did take a long time to colonize. I have everything logged in my journal. I'll be using WBS for my next mono's but if you want more and larger fruits... I'd say set up a mono sooner than later. Lot's of support here, that's for sure.
I put 10 holes in my mono but only actually use 8 with poly. (taped over the others)I would cover all the holes you make until it's colonized. Then lightly pack the holes with poly when it's ready to fruit. Took almost 20 days to fully be ready to fruit.
Best of luck which ever way you go.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project *some PIN PORN* [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10290885 - 05/05/09 02:51 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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All of the mushies you posted previously will mature further. It's very noticeable when a pin aborts, it will the same size. Don't worry about those unless they begin to rot (Caps turn green) Otherwise pick em after your flush.
Good luck on the grow! Hope you get some more pins!
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project *some PIN PORN* [Re: tokingnome]
#10291365 - 05/05/09 04:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ummm... forgive me but... what substrate does WBS stand for again?
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project *some PIN PORN* [Re: ezwider]
#10291674 - 05/05/09 04:58 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project *some PIN PORN* [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10298984 - 05/06/09 07:39 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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AlienTechKilla said: I used about 7 pint jars of BRF in this mono. It's both Z-Strain and Golden Teacher. It did take a long time to colonize. I have everything logged in my journal. I'll be using WBS for my next mono's but if you want more and larger fruits... I'd say set up a mono sooner than later. Lot's of support here, that's for sure.
I put 10 holes in my mono but only actually use 8 with poly. (taped over the others)I would cover all the holes you make until it's colonized. Then lightly pack the holes with poly when it's ready to fruit. Took almost 20 days to fully be ready to fruit.
Best of luck which ever way you go.
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congradulations but, i just realized you said there were 2 diff. strains. i didn't look back at the previous posts, and there was just another thread about this, you spawned the 2 strains to 2 diff. tubs, right? if you mixed them then that was probobly your long colonization problem. just a quick comment. i'll re-read later.
here's the other thread incase your interested http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10295706
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - 1st Flush dry weight [Re: artizen]
#10299125 - 05/06/09 08:04 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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2 strains to one tub and I'd say your correct that adding the 2 different strains definitely did effect colonization times. The thin fruits really filled in pretty well. Picked the last of them yesterday. Missing cap is the print I'm making.
Just got done drying the rest of the flush.... Grand total this flush (dry) =
Thanks again for the support and I'll be back to post the next flush in this same thread. To hydrate I'm just pouring in some brita filter water. Allowing to soak for about 4 hours. Then draining the rest. Sound right?
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - 1st Flush dry weight [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10299653 - 05/06/09 09:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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i dunk in tap water (city water) for 24hrs fully submerged. i use coir/verm/coffee. i holds a lot of water so i don't drain it, next to nothing drips out. some people place under gently running tap water for like 4 - 6hrs.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - 1st Flush dry weight [Re: artizen]
#10299680 - 05/06/09 09:36 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I must have read the post wrong. I'll do exactly as you then. How submerged are we talking? like an inch? Thanks for the help again mang.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - 1st Flush dry weight [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10299694 - 05/06/09 09:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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fully submerged, thats all that matters, do it for 4-6 hours, then let drain, make sure it stays together.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - 1st Flush dry weight [Re: potatonet]
#10299724 - 05/06/09 09:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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all my subs are flipped out of the container onto the lid (i.e. sterilite shoe box) when they go into the GH. after harvest, they go back in the same box, filled with water. they float, so you put some mason jar rings or something on top and snap the lid on, the rings (or whatever) keep it pushed down so it is completely submerged.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - 1st Flush dry weight [Re: artizen]
#10299766 - 05/06/09 09:56 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I notice on the pictures above the veils broke. Now when the veils break, the mushrooms spores drop ya? I've been told from several people (none of them grew mushrooms), that when you buy them you look for unbroken veils because it equals stronger effects after you swallow em. Is this a seller myth, or is there truth to it?
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - 1st Flush dry weight [Re: PhantomPoop]
#10299794 - 05/06/09 10:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Optimal time to harvest is just after the veils break. I picked some just before they broke because I didn't want to have to pick them over three days or whatever. I've NEVER heard anything about unopened veils = better potency. I takes some time for the spores to drop after the veils break though. It's not like a balloon or anything.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - 1st Flush dry weight [Re: AlienTechKilla]
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that makes sense, your harvest looks good btw. Good luck with your next one
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - 1st Flush dry weight [Re: PhantomPoop]
#10300194 - 05/06/09 11:37 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yo way to pull it through, looks like you got a good end result.
Did you case your substrate after colonization? I have a couple tubs of grain spawn and coir substrate and its getting about that time where I could case it or just fruit the bitches
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - 1st Flush dry weight [Re: Ike Anngro]
#10300207 - 05/06/09 11:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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No casing. RR has said that casing's aren't necessary when doing cubensis so I didn't. I don't think it would hurt, just take a little longer and with patching and such, an extra step. Good luck mang
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - 1st Flush dry weight [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10300218 - 05/06/09 11:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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If no casing=mushies in my mouth sooner then I'm going that way. Good looks
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - I think she's all done 79.8 dry [Re: Ike Anngro]
#10373395 - 05/21/09 12:10 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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So My 3rd flush was weak. Only about 13g dry bringing this tub of 3 1/2 qts of BRF too an end. I will fruit this last time but I'm pretty sure she's all done. My fruits have gotten smaller and smaller and though I didn't have many aborts, she seems tired. Grand total without this last flush is 79.8 grams dry. Not bad for 7 pint sized BRF cakes spawned to 1/2 brick coir/1qt coffee/1qt verm. Thanks for all the info along the way.... Next up will be WBS to the same sub mix.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - I think she's all done 79.8 dry [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10373458 - 05/21/09 12:20 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I pulled 30g dry off of 3 brfs through 1.5 flushes. my tray with WBS and rich mix from mycoluv might do triple this on first flush.
BRF should not be spawned with, only WBS and grain... just how I see it...
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - I think she's all done 79.8 dry [Re: potatonet]
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That's not bad at all.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - I think she's all done 79.8 dry [Re: Spongiform]
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Spongiform said: That's not bad at all.
I thought so. 30g dry off 3 BRF cakes is pretty frickin awesome too but I never had that kind of luck with BRF cakes on their own so I tried this and was very pleased.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - I think she's all done 79.8 dry [Re: AlienTechKilla]
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30gs sounds good to me man that would be a good trip for me and 4-5 friends. good job
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - I think she's all done 79.8 dry [Re: GanjaGarden]
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GanjaGarden said: 30gs sounds good to me man that would be a good trip for me and 4-5 friends. good job
Thanks for the comment. I actually only dose about 1.5g-3g at a time on these GT's as the were GRRRRReat! Yesterday I had a bit more (eating them through out the day) and I was on a different planet. Fireworks + Shroomies = Happy Alien
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project - I think she's all done 79.8 dry [Re: AlienTechKilla]
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I ate some with my gf yesterday and went swimming in my pool, out of 50 trips I finally got to experience mushrooms with sensory deprivation! It was godly!
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: Spongiform]
#10413567 - 05/28/09 01:44 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Great job man, this is what I hope to have, my 12 1/2 pint BRF cakes are almost fully colonized, would you recommend I do a monotub with them? How much more am I going to get in a monotub than if I would just throw the cakes into an FC?
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: ezwider]
#10414499 - 05/28/09 04:52 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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All depends on what you use as substrate. I used the coir/coffee/verm and had great results but Hpoo defintely has more nutes to offer. I did a bunch of cakes in the past in a shotgun FC and all I can say after doing mono's is I'll never fruit a cake again. Maybe an isolate or something but in the past months I've just been going to the coir mix.
This was only 7 pint jars of BRF and I think the results were pretty good. Monstermitch's Mono Tek is what I use now and I mix everything (leaving a little coir mix aside for the top <maybe 1/4" or so>), tape the holes and wait until 100%. Then swap the tape for loose poly (just enough to stay in the holes) and pick the fruits when they're ready.
I do mist and fan on occassion as well but that's me. You don't have to do anything with a mono. Just set it and forget it really.
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Re: My first Monotub/Bulk project **UPDATED** [Re: AlienTechKilla]
#10414725 - 05/28/09 05:37 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sounds good, my parents have horses so I'm gonna go with the doo doo, coir, verm, gypsum, coffee mix. Mixn it up fo sho!
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