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Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks
    #1014931 - 11/02/02 03:58 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Chris Floyd: 'Into the dark: The Pentagon plan to provoke terrorist attacks'
Posted on Friday, November 01 @ 08:46:39 EST
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By Chris Floyd

"This age: layers of lime harden in the sick son's blood...
There's nowhere to run from the tyrant-epoch...
Who else will you kill? Who else glorify?
What other lies will you invent?"
— Osip Mandelshtam, "1 January 1924"

This column stands foursquare with the Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, when he warns that there will be more terrorist attacks against the American people and civilization at large. We know, as does the Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, that this statement is an incontrovertible fact, a matter of scientific certainty. And how can we and the Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, be so sure that there will be more terrorist attacks against the American people and civilization at large?

Because these attacks will be instigated at the order of the Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense.



This astonishing admission was buried deep in a story which was itself submerged by mounds of gray newsprint and glossy underwear ads in last Sunday's Los Angeles Times. There -- in an article by military analyst William Arkin, detailing the vast expansion of the secret armies being massed by the former Nixon bureaucrat now lording it over the Pentagon -- came the revelation of Rumsfeld's plan to create "a super-Intelligence Support Activity" that will "bring together CIA and military covert action, information warfare, intelligence, and cover and deception."

According to a classified document prepared for Rumsfeld by his Defense Science Board, the new organization -- the "Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG)" -- will carry out secret missions designed to "stimulate reactions" among terrorist groups, provoking them into committing violent acts which would then expose them to "counterattack" by U.S. forces.

In other words -- and let's say this plainly, clearly and soberly, so that no one can mistake the intention of Rumsfeld's plan -- the United States government is planning to use "cover and deception" and secret military operations to provoke murderous terrorist attacks on innocent people. Let's say it again: Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and the other members of the unelected regime in Washington plan to deliberately foment the murder of innocent people -- your family, your friends, your lovers, you -- in order to further their geopolitical ambitions.

For P2OG is not designed solely to flush out terrorists and bring them to justice -- a laudable goal in itself, although the Rumsfeld way of combating terrorism by causing it is pure moral lunacy. (Or should we use the Regime's own preferred terminology and just call it "evil"?) No, it seems the Pee-Twos have bigger fish to fry. Once they have sparked terrorists into action -- by killing their family members? luring them with loot? fueling them with drugs? plying them with jihad propaganda? messing with their mamas? or with agents provocateurs, perhaps, who infiltrate groups then plan and direct the attacks themselves? -- they can then take measures against the "states/sub-state actors accountable" for "harboring" the Rumsfeld-roused gangs. What kind of measures exactly? Well, the classified Pentagon program puts it this way: "Their sovereignty will be at risk."

The Pee-Twos will thus come in handy whenever the Regime hankers to add a little oil-laden real estate or a new military base to the Empire's burgeoning portfolio. Just find a nest of violent malcontents, stir 'em with a stick, and presto: instant "justification" for whatever level of intervention/conquest/rapine you might desire. And what if the territory you fancy doesn't actually harbor any convenient marauders to use for fun and profit? Well, surely a God-like "super-Intelligence Support Activity" is capable of creation ex nihilo, yes?

The Rumsfeld-Bush plan to employ murder and terrorism for political, financial and ideological gain does have historical roots (besides al Qaeda, the Stern Gang, the SA, the SS, the KGB, the IRA, the UDF, Eta, Hamas, Shining Path and countless other upholders of Bushian morality, decency and freedom). We refer of course to Operations Northwoods, oft mentioned in these pages: the plan that America's top military brass presented to President John Kennedy in 1963, calling for a phony terrorist campaign -- complete with bombings, hijackings, plane crashes and dead Americans -- to provide "justification" for an invasion of Cuba, the Mafia/Corporate fiefdom which had recently been lost to Castro.

Kennedy rejected the plan, and was killed a few months later. Now Rumsfeld has resurrected Northwoods, but on a far grander scale, with resources at his disposal undreamed of by those brass of yore, with no counterbalancing global rival to restrain him -- and with an ignorant, corrupt president who has shown himself all too eager to embrace any means whatsoever that will augment the wealth and power of his own narrow, undemocratic, elitist clique.

There is prestuplyeniye here, transgression, a stepping-over -- deliberately, with open eyes, with forethought, planning, and conscious will -- of lines that should never be crossed. Acting in deadly symbiosis with rage-maddened killers, God-crazed ranters and those supreme "sub-state actors," the mafias, Bush and his cohorts are plunging the world into an abyss, an endless night of black ops, retribution, blowback, deceit, of murder and terror -- wholesale, retail, state-sponsored, privatized; of fear and degradation, servility, chaos, and the perversion of all that's best in us, of all that we've won from the bestiality of our primal nature, all that we've raised above the mindless ravening urges and impulses still boiling in the mud of our monkey brains.

It's not a fight for freedom; it's a retreat into darkness.

And the day will be a long time coming.

A shorter version of this piece originally appeared in The Moscow Times:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/
2002/11/01/120.html

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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1015881 - 11/02/02 03:01 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1016102 - 11/02/02 05:18 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Allow me to paraphrase P.T. Barnum....
There's a sucker born every minute.

Those who write this stuff, and those who believe it and post it.


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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1016281 - 11/02/02 06:39 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Are you going to make any effort to refute what's being said, or are you just going to throw insults around as usual?


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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: Phluck]
    #1017355 - 11/03/02 02:27 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Are you going to make any effort to refute what's being said, or are you just going to throw insults around as usual?

There's more chance of the sky falling in than luvdem making a post on-topic. The really funny thing is he'll have his closed minded mates around saying what wonderful points he makes soon  :grin:

The truth is a threat to these people. Once you know that you can understand them a little. Not that it makes them any less boring!   


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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: Phluck]
    #1018961 - 11/03/02 06:08 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I made all the response that this post was worthy of.


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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1019374 - 11/03/02 10:46 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Does it seem that farfetched?  I don't know about this one, but I wouldn't put it past them.

Wasn't there a declassified CIA document from the 60's that said they were considering comiting an act of terrorism and then blaming Fidel Castro, in order to justify invading Cuba?

I don't know much more about it except what I've heard.  This kind of fits with that.

America, to an outside observer seems...strange and scary.  The sheer size of the military, the nuclear capabilities, all of it.

Maybe it all seems to make sense to those on the inside of USA, but us on the outside wonder what would happen if someone like Hitler rose to the top there.  The potential for destruction keeps a lot of people a bit nervous.  So IF this business about Rumsfeld is untrue, at least you can understand why people's minds might be going in these paranoid directions.
:ooo: :mad: :cool: :smile: :frown: :blush: :crazy: :laugh: :shocked: : :smirk: :confused: :grin: :wink: :tongue: 


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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1020561 - 11/04/02 11:53 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, that's what you always say. Never seem to back it up with anything though.


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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: Phluck]
    #1020576 - 11/04/02 12:03 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, that's what you always say. Never seem to back it up with anything though.

Just wait. Mr mushrooms or one of the other far right wingers will post soon and say he has made some "startlingly wise and intelligent points".

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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1020615 - 11/04/02 12:21 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting Article...but I'm sad to say that it's not really news to me. Ever since 9/11 I have had a sour taste in my mouth from Bush and Rumsfield and co. Rumsfield has been lurking around in the shadows for a long time...and it seems like in the last 2 years he is not even trying to hide his agenda anymore. I'm sure that Bush is too much of an idiot to be the mastermind behind anything, he is little more than a puppet for Rumsfield and his old guard cronies...


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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1020630 - 11/04/02 12:36 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

This isn't news, the U.S. was creating enemies and influencing potential terrorists long before 9/11. In 1984 Wall Street Journal reporter Jonathan Kwitny published "Endless Enemies," which was subtitled "How America's Worldwide Interventions Destroy Democracy and Free Enterprise and Defeat Our Own Best Interests." More recently, one can also read the grievences explicitly stated by Osama Bin Laden. Sadly, too many people have bought into the rationalization/propaganda that the terrorists are jealous of our freedoms.


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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1021687 - 11/04/02 06:15 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

"...but us on the outside wonder what would happen if someone like Hitler rose to the top there. The potential for destruction keeps a lot of people a bit nervous. "

That is why we have democracy. People dont just rise to the top here. Yes, some have more power than others but even if hITLER (dont cap that asshole's name) was president he would not have the same form of power he had in Germany.

When Bush decides somthing he knows he has half the population behind him. That is why 2/3 of congress voted to give Bush power. 2/3 is very very powerful.


Oh and that article is stupid. The reason Rumsfield said that there would likely be more terrorist activity is so that all you Liberals out there wouldn't start to think that the war on terrorism is any where near being over. He was making a point to show that the threat of terrorism is just as strong as it was a year ago in August. He wants america to remember there are still alot of bad people out there we need to go out and kill them b4 they kill us first. Dont think that if we stoped our military activity the Al-Queda would stop there's it doesn't work like that. They wont be happy until our country is as fucked up as there's is.

GO FUCKING VOTE TOMORRO!!!!


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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: ehud]
    #1022165 - 11/04/02 09:20 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:

That is why we have democracy.




Sorry to correct you but the U.S. is a republic, not a democracy.


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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1023470 - 11/05/02 08:39 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

"Sorry to correct you but the U.S. is a republic, not a democracy. "

Here we go again. THE UNITED STATES' POLITICAL SYSTEM IS A FORM OF DEMOCRACY.

It's efficacy as a democratic system may be under question, but by the most basic of definitions, our system IS based on principles of democracy.



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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: hongomon]
    #1023477 - 11/05/02 08:42 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

it's more of a representative republic...but a form of mob rule..er..democracy nontheless....


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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: ehud]
    #1023502 - 11/05/02 09:02 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

"He wants america to remember there are still alot of bad people out there we need to go out and kill them b4 they kill us first."

Making the world a better place, eh?

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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1023505 - 11/05/02 09:04 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yes. Or a constitutional republic. An improvement on mob rule, no doubt about that.


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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: hongomon]
    #1023511 - 11/05/02 09:07 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

splitting hairs time: A constitutionaly limited republic.....wouldn't that be great if it was run like one?


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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1023529 - 11/05/02 09:20 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

It is not splitting hairs at all. The form of government of the United States of America is in fact a constitutionally limited republic, albeit one in which the agents of the people (President, senate, house of representatives) are elected through a democratically-based voting process.

The PROCESS of selecting those agents is a democratic one. However, legislation is enacted not through referenda, but through a voting procedure restricted to those elected agents rather than the populace as a whole.

I certainly agree it would be an improvement if those elected representatives would remember the constitutionally limited part.

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Re: Rumsfeld to provoke terrorist attacks [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1023558 - 11/05/02 09:42 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Constitutionaly limited republic...that works for me.

It seems unlikely that these guys are going to remember on their own--what sort of reminders do you guys think may have potential?


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