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Roger Fudd



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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: JaComet]
#10173260 - 04/15/09 06:24 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow, this thread really exploded. I guess I'll have to use h. ulmarius. Thanks again for all the info
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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: Roger Fudd]
#10199731 - 04/20/09 04:57 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Threadjack:
So I'm going to make some tree seedlings here and I'm wondering, should I just dig some dirt around a neerby tree and ad that to the soil? The seedling planters are real small so I'm wondering how one could be sure they are adding proper fungal associations. If so what kinds of growth benefits should I see?
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*bong*
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*Bump*
-------------------- "Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?" "The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything." - Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now. Conquer's Club
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Jef
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Registered: 12/02/08
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Not that it's my joy to be "Dr. Doom, Killer of All Hope" but I hate to see people engage unknowingly in futile activities. If you know, and still want to try...have my blessing for your energy.
The beginning of last fall's bounty:
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The fungus supplies the tree with minerals and water. The tree pays the fungus with sugars. The tree, like any good Wal Mart customer, will buy it's water and minerals from whatever fungus is willing and able to supply them...for the least possible amount of sugars.
So if, under your conditions, one of the legions of other fungal species will do the job for less...you're S.O.L. Even if it works at first...times and conditions change...and so do fungal partners.
Chanterelles here in the PNW (really the Pacific South West, here, in Canada) Chanterelles typically grow partnered in second growth forests with Douglas Fir and Western Hemlock that are between about forty and eighty years old. I can tell you that maybe only 20% of these particular-aged stands have chanterelles in the fall. The other 80%, and also those older and younger than this, presumably have other fungal partners, but not chanterelle.
If, on the other hand, you're planting the tree anyways...give it a shot. What have you got to lose ?
You could try the dirt from a mushroom-productive tree of the same species but success is very iffy.
Edited by Jef (05/13/09 01:59 AM)
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Horticulture
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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: Jef]
#10331697 - 05/13/09 10:29 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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You could try the dirt from a mushroom-productive tree of the same species but success is very iffy.
This is a better idea than you give it credit for. The mycelial networks mycorrhizas have are generally enormous often bridging multiple trees and many different plants species, even some that serve the fungus no apparent benefit (Monotropa genus). If there is live mycelia in the shore, it is almost sure to associate with a compatible plant species.
Furthermore, many species of mycorrhizal fungus do not ever show their fruit above ground. Many simply spore within the soil, making their presence virtually unknown. Germinating things in wild soil, or wild soil/potting soil mixes I foresee as a popular tactic for amateur horticulturists in the near future. I have some great looking alpine strawberry seedlings that I started in a 50/50 mix of potting soil, and wild soil taken from the roots of wild strawberries. When they set seed, I'll set up an experiment to give people an idea of the direct benefit, if any.
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Jef
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I missed the part about the growth benefits, presumably to the tree. My mind, as always was one track ...on mushrooms.
If we're talking about the happiness of the tree, then definitely transplant some colonized soil over for a "job interview". Some plants have many, many, mycorrhyzal partners simultaneously, so the tree will likely have it's choice of more than one partner.
You would notice that the tree grew faster and had more resistance to disease and drought than other trees that were not partnered.
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Edited by Jef (05/14/09 01:12 AM)
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