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Mycorrhizal associations
    #10149285 - 04/11/09 08:03 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Hi all!
I need some suggestions to using mycorrhizal fungi in my garden. I'm growing potted plants, like tomatoes, and if anyone has any information about the amount of mycelium to use, moisture levels, certain species to use, or anything else relevant, post please! So far I'm looking at some SRA on sawdust mixed into potting soil. Maybe some oyster mycelium too, just because it grows so fast and aggressively. Thanks for all replies :grin:


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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: Roger Fudd]
    #10149377 - 04/11/09 08:26 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

RSA?

you mean SRA?
Stropharia ruguso-annulata?

Lepista nuda is another great composter/gardening mushroom, it targets nematodes, harmful bacterias, and various molds, and destroys them, then fruits probably from the colonization of beneficial microbes.

So far L. nuda has worked great for me at helping eat through compost like nobodies business, and most of my garden beds seem more alive ever since I added a bunch of spawn.


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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: CptnGarden]
    #10149597 - 04/11/09 09:24 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: CptnGarden]
    #10149941 - 04/11/09 11:24 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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RSA?

you mean SRA?
Stropharia ruguso-annulata?

Lepista nuda is another great composter/gardening mushroom, it targets nematodes, harmful bacterias, and various molds, and destroys them, then fruits probably from the colonization of beneficial microbes.

So far L. nuda has worked great for me at helping eat through compost like nobodies business, and most of my garden beds seem more alive ever since I added a bunch of spawn.



Thanks for the info, my bad, I'll change the acronym.


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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: Roger Fudd]
    #10149977 - 04/11/09 11:36 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

http://fungiperfecti.com/mycogrow/index.html
This place has a bunch of pre-formulated species mixes.  Sounds like what you're after.


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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: FoxFire]
    #10150073 - 04/12/09 12:01 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, I was looking at mycogrow, but I don't want to use a product that I have to buy, instead going for the cultures that I already have. I was thinking about growing a tab out on agar, but I don't know how well they'll interact (in terms of one species taking over the agar).


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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: Roger Fudd]
    #10150840 - 04/12/09 06:50 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Elm Oysters are the easiest beneficial mushroom for gardens. Mycelium running has a pretty good section on using Elms, and I have personally done tests and experiments and found that they help any number of vegetable crops grow healthier and yield better.


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    #10150979 - 04/12/09 08:23 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: indian hemp]
    #10151188 - 04/12/09 09:57 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

thanks, I'll have the try using elm oysters, I have a culture coming in soon. Not sure what RTI is indian... Anyway, does anyone have advice to how I should be inoculation the plants? So far I've got the impression that I just crumble up some colonized substrate into my potting soil. Is anything else needed? thanks


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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: Roger Fudd]
    #10152693 - 04/12/09 03:14 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I add a hand full of forest soil to planting holes when i plant trees and shrubs, it seems to do a good job of inoculating them with wild fungi. I also had some cardboard stored on the ground under trees over the fall/winter... when i went to use it this spring (as sheet mulch) it was covered in wild mycelium, who knows what it is, but it seems like having diverse wild fungi in the garden will be a good thing.


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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: InfiniteOhms]
    #10152781 - 04/12/09 03:28 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, thanks. Do you think piling colonized straw around the plant on the surface would work?


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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: Roger Fudd]
    #10152847 - 04/12/09 03:42 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think putting it on the surface would do the same as having it buried within the bank of nutrients. If it was deeply set in the soil...the straw/chips/etc then it would constantly be converting the nutrients available and putting them back into the general vicinity of the plants roots making it more efficient. If it was on the surface...it would dry out quickly as well and stop doing its handy work.


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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #10152898 - 04/12/09 03:49 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

So you mean add the mycelium to the potting mix right? Should I crumble and mix or just layer? Is there a certain substrate that would be better, like straw? thanks


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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: Roger Fudd]
    #10153514 - 04/12/09 05:48 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Mix the mycellium into the soil/chips evenly


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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: Buckeye Oysters]
    #10153596 - 04/12/09 06:07 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, thanks.


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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: Roger Fudd]
    #10154904 - 04/12/09 10:07 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

"Mycorrhizal" specifically means fungi that have a direct symbiotic relationship with a host plant.  They don't grow reliably in vitro.  If you don't want to shell out the money for one of FP's spore mixes, then your best bet is to transplant some 'living soil' into your containers.  By that I mean garden soil from around healthy plants that have not been treated with synthetic fertilizers or pesticides.  Chances are pretty good that you'll pick up some mycelium or spores from native mycorrhizal species.

Incidentally, most of the tasty mycorrhizal species are ecto-mycorrhizal, so throwing chanterelle stem butts in with the tomatoes won't do you any good. :frown:


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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: Paresthesia]
    #10154999 - 04/12/09 10:28 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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"Mycorrhizal" specifically means fungi that have a direct symbiotic relationship with a host plant.  They don't grow reliably in vitro.  If you don't want to shell out the money for one of FP's spore mixes, then your best bet is to transplant some 'living soil' into your containers.  By that I mean garden soil from around healthy plants that have not been treated with synthetic fertilizers or pesticides.  Chances are pretty good that you'll pick up some mycelium or spores from native mycorrhizal species.

Incidentally, most of the tasty mycorrhizal species are ecto-mycorrhizal, so throwing chanterelle stem butts in with the tomatoes won't do you any good. :frown:




I'm pretty sure morels are mycorrhizal, yet they grow very well invitro, faster than any other species I have. As far as I understand, mycorrhizal species only are very hard to fruit in an artificial environment. I don't quite understand your chanterelle statement, since I though that ecto-mycorrhizal ment that the fungi grew in the soil, not in the root of the plant itself. :confused2:


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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: Roger Fudd]
    #10155713 - 04/13/09 12:57 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

My theory based on observation is that most mushroom species are mycorrhizal to a greater or lesser degree.  They may not require a plant host to fruit, but they still benefit from the plant or tree, and return the favor.  We can see this quickly with our house plants.  Put your left over spawn or spent substrates into your houseplants and watch them take off.
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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: Roger Fudd]
    #10156717 - 04/13/09 08:36 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Morels are... "special."  They exhibit the ability to grow outside of mycorrhizal relationship, but they form mycorrhizal relationships easily.  I think this is more opportunistic than necessary.  One of the factors that triggers morel fruitings is the death of the host plant.  Something about that actually triggers fruiting, at what is likely the best time for morels to take advantage of a newly cleared landscape.  Maybe.  I don't know.  Morels are just both, alright?!


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Re: Mycorrhizal associations [Re: Paresthesia]
    #10159877 - 04/13/09 06:04 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, thanks RR and Paresthesia. What about boletus...are they "special" too? I've seen some posts where people have grown them out on agar...


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