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Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH)
    #10128682 - 04/08/09 11:04 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I guess I'm going to have to be the one to bring this up. :hissyfit:

So lets say TM was correct and by ingesting magic mushrooms in our distant primate past they caused the explosion of the neo-cortex allowing us to expand conscious awareness and develop technology and all that good shit. Well then it would follow that our greater abilities at warfare, genocide, the holocaust, prejudice, pollution, deforestation, global warming, extinction of other species, etc etc are all directly traceable to our use of these psychedelic substances.

Ugly ain't it? But you got to take the good with the bad now don't you? That is if you got the guts.

Can you handle the "truth"?


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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: Icelander]
    #10128808 - 04/08/09 11:33 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Im cool with that. I say lets all get high and get busy on some ideas or get busy burning this mother fucker down cause I'm sick of this in between shyte.


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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: Icelander]
    #10128842 - 04/08/09 11:39 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I guess I'm going to have to be the one to bring this up. :hissyfit:

So lets say TM was correct and by ingesting magic mushrooms in our distant primate past they caused the explosion of the neo-cortex allowing us to expand conscious awareness and develop technology and all that good shit. Well then it would follow that our greater abilities at warfare, genocide, the holocaust, prejudice, pollution, deforestation, global warming, extinction of other species, etc etc are all directly traceable to our use of these psychedelic substances.

Ugly ain't it? But you got to take the good with the bad now don't you? That is if you got the guts.

Can you handle the "truth"?


McKenna actually argued that all of the problems you've described are largely attributable to the majority of humans losing touch with their entheogenic history, around the time when agriculture began replacing the nomadic lifestyle.  The problem is that we developed these higher capacities of mind, but lost the experience which grounded them, and ran amok.

Anyway, McKenna's ideas about human evolution have yet to have any kind of substantial evidence demonstrated in their favor, so...meh.


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and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: NoAgenda]
    #10128918 - 04/08/09 11:51 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Im cool with that. I say lets all get high and get busy on some ideas or get busy burning this mother fucker down cause I'm sick of this in between shyte.





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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: Lion]
    #10129038 - 04/08/09 12:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I guess I'm going to have to be the one to bring this up. :hissyfit:

So lets say TM was correct and by ingesting magic mushrooms in our distant primate past they caused the explosion of the neo-cortex allowing us to expand conscious awareness and develop technology and all that good shit. Well then it would follow that our greater abilities at warfare, genocide, the holocaust, prejudice, pollution, deforestation, global warming, extinction of other species, etc etc are all directly traceable to our use of these psychedelic substances.

Ugly ain't it? But you got to take the good with the bad now don't you? That is if you got the guts.

Can you handle the "truth"?


McKenna actually argued that all of the problems you've described are largely attributable to the majority of humans losing touch with their entheogenic history, around the time when agriculture began replacing the nomadic lifestyle.  The problem is that we developed these higher capacities of mind, but lost the experience which grounded them, and ran amok.

Anyway, McKenna's ideas about human evolution have yet to have any kind of substantial evidence demonstrated in their favor, so...meh.





Exactly, Icelander left out that part of his theory...


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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: TeamAmerica]
    #10129055 - 04/08/09 12:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't leave it out. It's not relevant to my thread. It's not about what should have happened it's about what did happen.

Not good to second guess mother nature.:mushroom2::nono:


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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: Icelander]
    #10129116 - 04/08/09 12:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

There is, of course, the distinct possibility of genetic manipulation...



The medical caduceus symbol bears an uncanny resemblance to the D.N.A. double helix...

It is interesting to ponder as to where such a thing could have come from...


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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: Mr.Al]
    #10129138 - 04/08/09 12:35 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah like we'd do that right.:lol:


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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: Icelander]
    #10129177 - 04/08/09 12:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Im cool with that. I say lets all get high and get busy on some ideas or get busy burning this mother fucker down cause I'm sick of this in between shyte.




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QFT.  If there's going to be some final battle between "good" and "evil," I wish they'd get it over with because I'm sick of all the back and forth between them.  Just kill each other off already so we can go about living our lives like reasonable human beings.  What are you waiting for?



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Can you handle the "truth"?




No one can handle the truth.  The truth is harsh.  That's why people would rather focus on imagined and contrived issues of "greater meaning" rather than the problems right in front of their own face, i.e. problems they could actually solve because they have to do with concrete, tangible reality.  By this I mean things like feeding the hungry, voting for people who aren't retarded, and trying to make it through one year without blowing up a school or hospital.


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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: Icelander]
    #10129294 - 04/08/09 01:02 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I was referring to extraterrestrial, subterranean, and extra-dimensional beings screwing around with the state of affairs on planet Earth. 


http://sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/index.htm

The Hindu Mahabharata is full of crazy alien shenanigans!


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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: Icelander]
    #10129319 - 04/08/09 01:06 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

theres a good and a bad side to everything.

If thats really how we got intelligent, id say all it did was enhance what was already there. So you cant really blame the mushrooms for the evil, just the increased level of evil
which kinda goes with what ur saying, huh?


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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: sterbeklang]
    #10129347 - 04/08/09 01:10 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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NoAgenda said:
Im cool with that. I say lets all get high and get busy on some ideas or get busy burning this mother fucker down cause I'm sick of this in between shyte.




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QFT.  If there's going to be some final battle between "good" and "evil," I wish they'd get it over with because I'm sick of all the back and forth between them.  Just kill each other off already so we can go about living our lives like reasonable human beings.  What are you waiting for?




Like a great final battle between "good" and "evil" so we can all smoke joints in peace?


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Icelander said:
Can you handle the "truth"?




No one can handle the truth.  The truth is harsh.  That's why people would rather focus on imagined and contrived issues of "greater meaning" rather than the problems right in front of their own face, i.e. problems they could actually solve because they have to do with concrete, tangible reality.  By this I mean things like feeding the hungry, voting for people who aren't retarded, and trying to make it through one year without blowing up a school or hospital.




I think the people in the Philosophy&Spirituality forum of a drug community would tend to fit in your description.
However, I don't see anything harsh in the "truth". The world is just incredibly complex, and many actions seem pointless when you think about it.


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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: Cubie]
    #10129597 - 04/08/09 02:00 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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theres a good and a bad side to everything.

If thats really how we got intelligent, id say all it did was enhance what was already there. So you cant really blame the mushrooms for the evil, just the increased level of evil
which kinda goes with what ur saying, huh?





The object of my OP was not to bash shrooms or call them evil. It was a sarcastic way of pointing out to some true believers that they rarely look at things beyond their own desires of how things should be.

If mushrooms played a part in human evolution, which they may have, it's not because they are "magic" but because they are part of the ongoing possibilities that are part of the natural process of life on earth. A process that is not just human but equally part of all life and not for our specific benefit, an adaptive process that is common and like all things having an upside and a downside.


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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: Icelander]
    #10129625 - 04/08/09 02:06 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i think they played a big role in forming human emotions like creativity and curiosity.
i believe those 2 things would lead us down the path of intelligence. 

People always downplay the negative parts of things they love. like trippers down playing the dangers of lsd or herion addicts thinking "it wont happen to me"
it takes real intelligence to look at your beliefs in different perspectives.


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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: Cubie]
    #10129708 - 04/08/09 02:19 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i think they played a big role in forming human emotions like creativity and curiosity.

Didn't know those were emotions.:grin:


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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: Icelander]
    #10129725 - 04/08/09 02:21 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

what would they be called? its something we feel.

atlest i can feel them. When i draw i express the creativity i feel and that act is creative

when i want to learn about something its because i felt curious


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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: Icelander]
    #10129800 - 04/08/09 02:33 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Why only go that far back.  Blame the water or primordial soup in which the amino acids first formed in the far far distant past for all the negative aspects of humanity you are so fond of pointing out.

Pointing to a specific moment when it all went wrong is absurd.


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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: Cubie]
    #10129801 - 04/08/09 02:33 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I can feel my foot, is my foot an emotion?


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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: Icelander]
    #10129820 - 04/08/09 02:36 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

im asking what you would call them and was giving the reason why i called them emotions no need for jackassery


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Re: Monster Mushrooms Mayhem (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH) [Re: Kukaracha]
    #10129834 - 04/08/09 02:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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However, I don't see anything harsh in the "truth". The world is just incredibly complex, and many actions seem pointless when you think about it.




I think the pointlessness is the harsh part.  There are two main ideas that we can't handle:
1. Life is hard, yet there is purpose to the suffering.
2. Nothing truly interesting will ever happen to us in our entire lives, ever.

^--- I'm not saying that's necessarily the truth, but those are definitely ideas that people seem to run away from.

The first one is very disenchanting if you choose to go that route.  It's hard to make it through the day.  It's even hard not to be completely suicidal.  You suffer and die and all you get for it is the joy of biodegradation.

The second is what makes us turn every stupid little thing into DRAMA in our lives.  Every little thing has to have a greater meaning OR we feel like we have to stand for something, bring everyone's attention to a perceived "problem" that needs to be solved.  In effect, making mountains out of molehills.

I say these things, because so much of my own search for meaning, after each phase of it, it all seems to be a moot point... like I shouldn't have bothered looking in the first place.  So I'm a hypocrite, stuck in the middle.  I still read a forum like this and post philosophically.  But at the same time, my own journey has made me an anti-philosopher, so sometimes I post more like I did today.  Seems to depend on my mood.

Didn't they used to call Cioran an anti-philosopher?  His writing makes me smile.  But even anti-philosophy is a philosophy.  So even those of us that try to reject it in order to simplify our lives are still caught up in the mental turmoil... not the least of which is trying to explain ourselves to others who don't want to get off the ride.

"Paradise was unendurable, otherwise the first man would have adapted to it; this world is no less so, since here we regret paradise or anticipate another one. What to do? where to go? Do nothing and go nowhere, easy enough."
--Emile M. Cioran

"Imaginary pains are by far the most real we suffer, since we feel a constant need for them and invent them because there is no way of doing without them."
--Emile M. Cioran

"It is not worth the bother of killing yourself, since you always kill yourself too late."
--Emile M. Cioran


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