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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Poid]
    #9865378 - 02/25/09 07:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Such a shame. I live in AL. I would be surprised if any more than a handful of people here have even heard of salvia (at least until all of the soccer moms saw that Dr. Phil episode)

I hate to see the legality of an entheogen wane like that. I've never tried it, but it is something I would like to do someday. Looks like my chances are wearing thin, but I certainly won't be rushed into it.

This only passed because it's advertised as "OMG IT MAKES YOU HALLUCINATE!" Just once I want to be explained why that's a bad thing.


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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: BombKitten]
    #9865545 - 02/25/09 08:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Well, to be honest, it is a very powerful hallucinogen. But at any rate, it's just like you say, why would that even be a bad thing?


...and it all goes back to the illogical statement that practically all drug laws are based on: "Drugs are bad.".


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Poid]
    #9867915 - 02/26/09 06:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, it is so typical for politicians to draw up these evergrowing anti-drug bills. 
It makes them appear tough on crime which about 75% of voters love.
They also usually have a one-sided case.
If anybody is brave enough to speak out against their stale drug policies, they risk at the least, to be regarded as a "slacker" or "stoner," and at worst, to be on the receiving end of the local task force's next home raid.


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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: BombKitten]
    #9868652 - 02/26/09 10:35 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

If you have time, why not write a few letters telling your Representatives and Senators that you do not appreciate what they are doing?

http://www.legislature.state.al.us/

Tell your friends too as well. 

Like you said, just because you have not tried it does not mean you want to give up your right to enjoy a seemingly insightful and currently legal substance.


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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #9870364 - 02/26/09 03:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I smoked Salvia today and yesterday. Didn't trip today (though didn't smoke a lot either), but yesterday I tripped that I entered this cartoon world to get on this train to Salvia Land, and they wouldnt let me go. They told me that I had to get rid of my ego first and then come back.

Edit: For the past few weeks every now and again I been smoking regular leaf so that when I do smoke my extracts with a sitter watching me, I have a good deep trip. Surprisingly the more I use regular leaf, the better I'm able to trip. The reverse tolerance for salvia is true.


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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Dementous]
    #9870830 - 02/26/09 04:37 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Why would you think that smoking plain leaves one night would give you some kind of accumlative effect when you smoke extract another night?

Salvinorin A dissipates from the user's system in minutes.


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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #9959411 - 03/12/09 04:48 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Salvia has a reverse tolerance effect. You actually start out being very tolerant of Salvinorin A and as the body becomes more accustomed to it, the tolerance lowers. After a period of non-use though the tolerance returns. http://www.sagewisdom.org/

Edit: Also, since I've been using Salvia semi-daily I've noticed it takes barely any now to make me trip rather than the large amounts I used to need to smoke to gain any effects.


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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Dementous]
    #9959708 - 03/12/09 05:35 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

OK, you have been getting nice results with the plain leaf then?

I have a couple of ounces of plain leaf.

Would you say that if I smoked a bowl after work every day, I might eventually notice more effects?

I am willing to try that in the name of science!


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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #9970458 - 03/14/09 01:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Swyfty Swyf said:
OK, you have been getting nice results with the plain leaf then?

I have a couple of ounces of plain leaf.

Would you say that if I smoked a bowl after work every day, I might eventually notice more effects?

I am willing to try that in the name of science!




Yes. If you read articles pertaining to Salvia (trip reports) and Daniel Siebert's pharmacological studies. You'll learn that with more and more use, one can use less and less. I remember reading a post from a fellow Shroomerite on here that said he used to smoke Salvia and took a 3 month break from it, and when he tried to go back to it, he wouldn't get any affects because his tolerance of it returned. He then explained how he had to lower his tolerance again. Then said it was some fucked up shit, that he wouldn't mind getting some more of...

Wish I could find it. >.<


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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Dementous]
    #9970471 - 03/14/09 01:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

I was with a bunch of friends a few weeks ago and I learned a lot from the two trips I had that night.

In the first trip everyone in the room turned into a roof to a building that was part of some kind lot. What this taught me is that friends are like roofs. Where a roof attempts to protect you, the best it was constructed, from the natural elements; friends protect you, the best the relationship was developed, from the harsh elements of life.

The second trip I had was on a 10X extract. On my trip, the room turned into a beautifully lit city, huge sky-scrapers, bustling streets, and almost "too" cluttered. In this trip, I was a cruise ship that was docked at the city's port. What the trip revealed to me is that I am that ship, the city is preparation for my journey through life (the ocean), and how at this moment in time I haven't truly started my life yet (because the ship hasn't set sail).

These two trips helped me realize some deep things about my life. Especially the second trip in knowing that my life truly hasn't taken off yet... I can only hope that Maryland will follow Cali and Maine in regulating to 18+




Thought I would share these trip reports I posted in another thread, seeing as its relevant.


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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Dementous]
    #9971100 - 03/14/09 03:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Right on.  Thanks Dementous.

It's funny how you like to analyze your Salvia trips.  Do you find that your dreams sometimes seem to translate into meanings?

I do feel some meanings from Salvia trips, but it is never so metaphorical to me.  It feels more like everytime I do it, it sweeps so far from reality that it leaves me with an anti-depressant type of feeling afterwards.  I am in a good mood the whole next day, just reflecting on the absurdities of the Salvia experience.


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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Dementous]
    #10012338 - 03/21/09 07:05 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Dementous said:
Salvia has a reverse tolerance effect. You actually start out being very tolerant of Salvinorin A and as the body becomes more accustomed to it, the tolerance lowers. After a period of non-use though the tolerance returns. http://www.sagewisdom.org/

Edit: Also, since I've been using Salvia semi-daily I've noticed it takes barely any now to make me trip rather than the large amounts I used to need to smoke to gain any effects.




Interesting, I never knew that. If only weed had the same reverse tolerance-effect...


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10022807 - 03/22/09 09:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Right on.  Thanks Dementous.

It's funny how you like to analyze your Salvia trips.  Do you find that your dreams sometimes seem to translate into meanings?

I do feel some meanings from Salvia trips, but it is never so metaphorical to me.  It feels more like everytime I do it, it sweeps so far from reality that it leaves me with an anti-depressant type of feeling afterwards.  I am in a good mood the whole next day, just reflecting on the absurdities of the Salvia experience.




Yes I use the same analytical thought I use on understand my trips toward understanding my dreams. Your subconscious mind has many things to tell you, but they will come out as the oddest most weirdest things! To understand the messages you receive, you must look at it from a metaphorical standpoint and think of different possible explanations that you feel you could accept or connect with the experience the most.


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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Poid]
    #10111019 - 04/05/09 03:13 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

i hate to see a harmless drug be outlawed, but honestly i couldn't care less, since i dont plan on ever doing it again lol


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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: hockeyplyr1057]
    #10112285 - 04/05/09 06:53 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I agree that anything is harmless until it is picked up by a human and used for good or ill.

I think people should know that Salvia should be respected, because irresponsible use of it could result in harm to the user or others.

The powerful and mysterious effects of Salvia divinorum just go to show the great gifts that nature has to offer those who are lucky enough to appreciate them.


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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10113106 - 04/05/09 09:15 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Swyfty Swyf said:
The powerful and mysterious effects of Salvia divinorum just go to show the great gifts that nature has to offer those who are lucky enough to appreciate them.




Agreed.


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