Quote:

---

Redstorm said:
Wrong.

There were 50 Ds and 50 Rs until May 24, 2001, when Sen. James Jeffords (R-VT) switched to Independent status, effective June 6, 2001; he announced that he would caucus with the Democrats, giving the Democrats a one-seat advantage.

---

Quote:

---

Has the liberal movement accomplished anything?

---

Quote:

---

Redstorm said:
Regardless of all of that jazz, you are still wrong that the Reppublicans held all of the branches of government for a majority of the last decade.

---

Quote:

---

the small democratic majority in the senate in 2001-2002 being notwithstanding since the repugs still held the legislative branch as a whole during that time.

---

Quote:

---

Virus_with_Shoes said:

Quote:

---

Has the liberal movement accomplished anything?

---

You can definitely sling some well-deserved shit in the direction of liberals but they deserve credit for some of these, among others: The Civil Rights Movement (as Redstorm pointed out), women's right to vote, workplace safety laws, environmental laws, women's rights over their own reproductive system, public universities, etc...

Yeah, there are a few things. Nowadays they don't seem to be capable of much of anything. Then again, I'm curious to see what conservatives have contributed... I wouldn't imagine much considering their entire shtick is built around maintaining the status quo.

---

Quote:

---

Virus_with_Shoes said:
I wouldn't imagine much considering their entire shtick is built around maintaining the status quo.

---

Yea, theres nothing worth saving the in status quo...

Quote:

---

Yea, theres nothing worth saving the in status quo...

---

Quote:

---

Thank Congress for 2 Million Acres of Wilderness

Bridger-Teton National Forest, in the Wyoming Range, is among the lands now protected.

Take Action Today!
Dear JULIAN,
Please join with us in applause for what Congress has done to permanently protect millions of acres of American wildlands—including such special places as Mineral King, Mt. Hood and the Wyoming Range.
Signed by President Obama earlier this week, the powerful Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009 is one of the great wilderness preservation acts of our time, and Congress deserves our thanks for passing it.
Take action now by sending your members of Congress a message of gratitude.
And while you are at it, take time to thank yourself for helping make this happen. The Earthjustice legal team—empowered by your support—fought for years to keep two of these remarkable land areas free from destructive exploitation.
Earthjustice, and the right of citizens to use court action in defense of the environment, were born in the 1970's during the fight to keep Mineral King from being turned into a ski resort by Disney. Congress now has assured that development of this Sierra jewel will never occur.
Nor will the Wyoming Range be turned over to oil and gas development, as the Bush administration tried to do during its reign. Located in the Rocky Mountains just south of Grand Teton National Park, the range was threatened by a plan to unleash drillers on 175,000 acres of national forest lands, including 90,000 acres of pristine roadless areas. Earthjustice attorneys stalled this onerous plan long enough for the new Congress to enwrap 1.2 million acres of the Wyoming Range with protection.
If you are grinning like we are at the happy ending to this story, please take time now to thank those members of Congress who made it come true.
— Earthjustice
Because the earth needs a good lawyer

---

Quote:

---

Redstorm said:

Quote:

---

the small democratic majority in the senate in 2001-2002 being notwithstanding since the repugs still held the legislative branch as a whole during that time.

---

Are you serious? You just contradicted yourself in the quoted post. You stated that the Dems held the Senate until 2003 and then proceeded to state that the Republicans held the legislative branch as a whole. That makes absolutely no sense.

---

Quote:

---

Annapurna1 said:

Quote:

---

Redstorm said:

Quote:

---

the small democratic majority in the senate in 2001-2002 being notwithstanding since the repugs still held the legislative branch as a whole during that time.

---

Are you serious? You just contradicted yourself in the quoted post. You stated that the Dems held the Senate until 2003 and then proceeded to state that the Republicans held the legislative branch as a whole. That makes absolutely no sense.

---

ill repeat myself..since you dont seem to understand what "the legislative branch as a whole" means ..the legislative branch as a whole is the house and the senate combined...that means that if the dems hold a 1-seat advantage in the senate while the repugs hold a 2-seat advantage in the house..then the repugs still hold the legislative branch as a whole...

---

Quote:

---

Annapurna1 said:

Quote:

---

Redstorm said:

Quote:

---

the small democratic majority in the senate in 2001-2002 being notwithstanding since the repugs still held the legislative branch as a whole during that time.

---

Are you serious? You just contradicted yourself in the quoted post. You stated that the Dems held the Senate until 2003 and then proceeded to state that the Republicans held the legislative branch as a whole. That makes absolutely no sense.

---

ill repeat myself..since you dont seem to understand what "the legislative branch as a whole" means ..the legislative branch as a whole is the house and the senate combined...that means that if the dems hold a 1-seat advantage in the senate while the repugs hold a 2-seat advantage in the house..then the repugs still hold the legislative branch as a whole...

---

Quote:

---

Statisticons_win said:
its just not true, though.

the house of Reps is by far the more powerful.

---

Quote:

---

Statisticons_win said:
the only way the senate can stop a bill is to filibuster. Understand now why the big to do was in nov?

---