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Offlinefrogsheath
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open letter to Bush from Sean Penn
    #1010596 - 10/31/02 05:06 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)






Sean Penn paid $56,000 to have this appear in the Washington Post.

> It took almost an entire page.
>> >
>> > NAMES & FACES (Washington Post)
>> > Page C03, Oct 19, 2002
>> > Penn Mightier Than the Sword? Actor Sean Penn called
>> > on President Bush to "let us re-introduce inspection
>> > teams" to Iraq in an "Open Letter"
>> > -----------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > An Open Letter to the President of the United States of
>> > America
>> >
>> > Mr. Bush:
>> >
>> > Good morning sir.
>> >
>> > Like you, I am a father and an American. Like you, I
>> > consider myself a patriot. Like you, I was horrified by
>> > the events of this past year, concerned for my family
>> > and my country. However, I do not believe in a
>> > simplistic and inflammatory view of good and evil.
>> >
>> > I believe this is a big world full of men, women, and
>> > children who struggle to eat, to love, to work, to
>> > protect their families, their beliefs, and their
>> > dreams.
>> >
>> > My father, like yours, was decorated for service in
>> > World War II. He raised me with a deep belief in the
>> > Constitution and the Bill of Rights, as they should
>> > apply to all Americans who would sacrifice to maintain
>> > them and to all human beings as a matter of principle.
>> > Many of your actions to date and those proposed seem to
>> > violate every defining principle of this country over
>> > which you preside: intolerance of debate ("with us or
>> > against us"), marginalization of your critics, the
>> > promoting of fear through unsubstantiated rhetoric,
>> > manipulation of a quick comfort media, and position of
>> > your administration's deconstruction of civil liberties
>> > all contradict the very core of the patriotism you
>> > claim.
>> >
>> > You lead, it seems, through a blood-lined sense of
>> > entitlement. Take a close look at your most vehement
>> > media supporters. See the fear in their eyes as their
>> > loud voices of support ring out with that historically
>> > disastrous undercurrent of rage and panic masked as
>> > "straight tough talk."
>> >
>> > How far have we come from understanding what it is to
>> > kill one man, one woman, or one child, much less the
>> > "collateral damage" of many hundreds of thousands. Your
>> > use of the words, "this is a new kind of war" is often
>> > accompanied by an odd smile.
>> >
>> > It concerns me that what you are asking of us is to
>> > abandon all previous lessons of history in favor of
>> > following you blindly into the future. It worries me
>> > because with all your best intentions, an enormous
>> > economic surplus has been squandered.
>> >
>> > Your administration has virtually dismissed the most
>> > fundamental environmental concerns and therefore, by
>> > implication, one gets the message that, as you seem to
>> > be willing to sacrifice the children of the world,
>> > would you also be willing to sacrifice ours.
>> >
>> > I know this cannot be your aim so, I beg you Mr.
>> > President, listen to Gershwin, read chapters of
>> > Stegner, of Saroyan, the speeches of Martin Luther
>> > King. Remind yourself of America.
>> >
>> > Remember the Iraqi children, our children, and your
>> > own. There can be no justification for the actions of
>> > Al Qaeda. Nor acceptance of the criminal viciousness of
>> > the tyrant, Saddam Hussein. Yet, that bombing is
>> > answered by bombing, mutilation by mutilation, killing
>> > by killing, is a pattern that only a great country like
>> > ours can stop.
>> >
>> > However, principles cannot be recklessly or greedily
>> > abandoned in the guise of preserving them. Avoiding war
>> > while accomplishing national security is no simple
>> > task.
>> >
>> > But you will recall that we Americans had a little
>> > missile problem down in Cuba once. Mr. Kennedy's
>> > restraint (and that of the nuclear submarine captain,
>> > Arkhipov) is to be aspired to. Weapons of mass
>> > destruction are clearly a threat to the entire world in
>> > any hands. But as Americans, we must ask ourselves,
>> > since the potential for Mr. Hussein to possess them
>> > threatens not only our country, (and in fact, his
>> > technology to launch is likely not yet at that high a
>> > level of sophistication) therefore, many in his own
>> > region would have the greatest cause for concern.
>> >
>> > Why then, is the United States, as led by your
>> > administration, in the small minority of the world
>> > nations predisposed toward a preemptive military
>> > assault on Iraq?
>> >
>> > Simply put, sir, let us re-introduce inspection teams,
>> > inhibiting offensive capability. We buy time, maintain
>> > our principles here and abroad and demand of ourselves
>> > the ingenuity to be the strongest diplomatic muscle on
>> > the planet, perhaps in the history of the planet.
>> >
>> > The answers will come. You are a man of faith, but your
>> > saber is rattling the faith of many Americans in you.
>> >
>> > I do understand what a tremendously daunting task it
>> > must be to stand in your shoes at this moment. As a
>> > father of two young children who will live their lives
>> > in the world as it will be affected by critical choices
>> > today, I have no choice but to believe that you can
>> > ultimately stand as a great president. History has
>> > offered you such a destiny.
>> >
>> > So again, sir, I beg you, help save America before
>> > yours is a legacy of shame and horror. Don't destroy
>> > our children's future. We will support you. You must
>> > support us, your fellow Americans, and indeed, mankind.
>> > Defend us from fundamentalism abroad but don't turn a
>> > blind eye to the fundamentalism of a diminished
>> > citizenry through loss of civil liberties, of
>> > dangerously heightened presidential autonomy through
>> > acts of Congress, and of this country's mistaken and
>> > pervasive belief that its "manifest destiny" is to
>> > police the world.
>> >
>> > We know that Americans are frightened and angry.
>> > However, sacrificing American soldiers or innocent
>> > civilians in an unprecedented preemptive attack on a
>> > separate sovereign nation, may well prove itself a most
>> > temporary medicine. On the other hand, should you mine
>> > and have faith in the best of this country to support
>> > your leadership in representing a strong, thoughtful,
>> > and educated United States, you may well triumph for
>> > the long haul.
>> >
>> > Lead us there, Mr. President, and we will stand with
>> > you.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> >
>> > Sean Penn
>> > San Francisco, California


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Re: open letter to Bush from Sean Penn [Re: frogsheath]
    #1010637 - 10/31/02 05:22 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Brilliant speech


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Re: open letter to Bush from Sean Penn [Re: frogsheath]
    #1010691 - 10/31/02 05:44 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Spot on. Except the bit about "help save America before
yours is a legacy of shame and horror".

I think it's too late - Bush's legacy is already one of shame and horror.


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Re: open letter to Bush from Sean Penn [Re: frogsheath]
    #1011114 - 10/31/02 08:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

He could have sent it to Bush for free. He wrote it for YOU GUYS, not for BUSH.


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Re: open letter to Bush from Sean Penn [Re: ]
    #1011173 - 10/31/02 09:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

DUH! Post in the paper or 37 cents personal. He is voicing a different opinion that what the gov. is sticking to. The free flow of ideas is one of the things that makes America a great country.


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Re: open letter to Bush from Sean Penn [Re: frogsheath]
    #1011400 - 10/31/02 10:40 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Sean Penn is a woman beater and a dolt.....


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Re: open letter to Bush from Sean Penn [Re: frogsheath]
    #1011535 - 10/31/02 11:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

>> > Why then, is the United States, as led by your
>> > administration, in the small minority of the world
>> > nations predisposed toward a preemptive military
>> > assault on Iraq?


Is he to timid to suggest the oil connection? He must know about it.

Yeah, America uses so fuckin much oil, and most of it has to be imported. He's securing a supply (which him and/or his friends will sell to Americans, for billions profit).

Seems obvious to me why America wants to install a new leader there.

Been over this before, probably be there again


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Re: open letter to Bush from Sean Penn [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1011703 - 11/01/02 12:33 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Sean Penn deserves to be commended. Not many papers would publish stuff like this in the states, but he put up his own money to make it happen to openly criticize Bush's policies.

As a 'celebrity' with a rather comfortable life, he is risking his reputation and career by exposing himself and his views to the American public


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Re: open letter to Bush from Sean Penn [Re: foghorn]
    #1012302 - 11/01/02 05:58 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Are you not from the states? If you were you'd know that crap like this appears in the papers or other media all too often.


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Re: open letter to Bush from Sean Penn [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1012377 - 11/01/02 07:06 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, really? Like what?


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Re: open letter to Bush from Sean Penn [Re: foghorn]
    #1012378 - 11/01/02 07:06 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

****Not many papers would publish stuff like this in the states****

what? All you have to do is pay for the space....i've seen worse

****As a 'celebrity' with a rather comfortable life****

must be extremely comfortable, so much so that he has time to beat up his wife


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Re: open letter to Bush from Sean Penn [Re: ]
    #1012506 - 11/01/02 09:20 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

"He could have sent it to Bush for free. He wrote it for YOU GUYS, not for BUSH."

What the fuck do you think an open letter is?


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Re: open letter to Bush from Sean Penn [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1012510 - 11/01/02 09:23 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

"what? All you have to do is pay for the space....i've seen worse"

Pay for it? Don't you have an editorials section?

"must be extremely comfortable, so much so that he has time to beat up his wife"

I can really tell you've grown up in the US. Where else can you dismiss someone's ideas just by bringing up a completely unrelated character flaw?

They should ban all forms of campaign advertising.


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Re: open letter to Bush from Sean Penn [Re: Phluck]
    #1012569 - 11/01/02 09:58 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

****I can really tell you've grown up in the US. Where else can you dismiss someone's ideas just by bringing up a completely unrelated character flaw?****

i could say the same thing about Canadians and Bush..right? :smirk:


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Re: open letter to Bush from Sean Penn [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1016765 - 11/02/02 10:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Phluck and Alex123 are right on. THis article is great.


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Re: open letter to Bush from Sean Penn [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1017266 - 11/03/02 02:04 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Being dumb isn't unrelated.


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Re: open letter to Bush from Sean Penn [Re: Phluck]
    #1017450 - 11/03/02 02:55 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Bush does not get letters in the mail from ordinary citizens. He has people who open and read such mail and a letter such as that posted by him is most likely thrown in the garbage after a staff member reads it.

Like the million people protest marches which go to Washingotn. Do you really thnik the people in the White House listen to those million marchers on the mall in front of the white house.

Only during the election nightduring presidential vicotories do others get to put in their wirds of support or beleifs

I will shortyly be printing here in this forum the words of Adolph Hitler's New World Order speech and then next to them the words of Presidents Bushe's fathers New World Order speech, both practically word for word as you will see when you read it and if not word for word then a meaning for meaning words.

Of course others wrote this speech for Geroge W. 's father but then no politician ever gets up and speaks with what is in their hearts, not on a piece of pre written piece of paper. Bccause when they speak from their hearts their faults come out in rainbows of shit.

mj

I will soon get back to eeryone on this, hopefully before Tuesdays elelecions


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