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Mason Jar substitute
    #10103933 - 04/04/09 06:02 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Well apparently here in Japan nobody has ever heard of canning, so it's pretty damn near impossible to find mason jars here, short of ordering on the internet.

I'm really trying to keep costs down, so what can I use as a substitute?  I suppose the requirements would be either no taper or a tapering larger at the top.  As long as you can get a good seal and stamp the cake out it will work?

If anyone has any recommendations, i'd really appreciate them.

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Re: Mason Jar substitute [Re: kablamo]
    #10103938 - 04/04/09 06:06 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

just make sure the cake can come out heres a link i like to use
just make sure you read it good,this tek's the shit :poop:
it dosent have to be that kind but make sure you read the whole tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9530928/fpart/4/vc/1


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Re: Mason Jar substitute [Re: m08b08]
    #10103951 - 04/04/09 06:14 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Make sure the jars that you use dont have a kneck on them as you need to get the cake out in 1 piece. Some people use drinking glasses with foil lids which is an ok method. You can also use plastic containers as long as they can survive steaming/pressure cooking. Good containers made of PP should stand up fine in a pressure cooker.


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Re: Mason Jar substitute [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10103955 - 04/04/09 06:18 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

yea drinking glasses would work to :foreheadslap: lol ! i should of been doing that,canning jar's start to get expensive after awhile.


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Re: Mason Jar substitute [Re: m08b08]
    #10103976 - 04/04/09 06:29 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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m08b08 said:
yea drinking glasses would work to :foreheadslap: lol ! i should of been doing that,canning jar's start to get expensive after awhile.





I dont recomend it, the foil doesnt seel and allows unwanted air into the jar which can cause early pinning, its not happened to me yet, but i havnt done many jars this way.

Im switching to jars, as ive found a good shaped jar in the supermarket that will work. and there not too expensive, plus i get to use the jam preserve on toast :-)


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Lets Grow Mushrooms - RogerRabbit & RoadKills website with sample videos plus the full PF TEK video series. Alot of great information - BUY THE DVD
Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong
Franks Simple Coir/Verm Tek
Franks Proper Pasturisation Tek
Franks Spawning To Bulk - Monotub
Professor Pinheads RTV Injection Port Tek
Foo Mans No Soak WBS Prep Tek

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Re: Mason Jar substitute [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10103991 - 04/04/09 06:35 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

yea i like to use those mini rounds.Ive had a hard time finding half pint wide mouth's,alot of places carry canning jar's but they all say they are sold out ?
someone's probably getting to em before me.but OPS the glad mini rounds are like 3 dollars for 8 and they last in a pressure cooker good,but make sure you red the tek,5 pp will work great ! :thumbup:


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Re: Mason Jar substitute [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10104032 - 04/04/09 06:59 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Awesome guys, thanks a lot.

For the incubation period, do you want to have absolutely no air leakage if you can help it? Or is a little bit fine.  I was thinking of using Saran wrap on top of the foil after I inoculate, or maybe a rubber band, or jeez, so many possibilities.

I guess one requirement is for them to be absolutely clear so you can see the mycelium clearly.

Also, where the hell do you guys get syringes from?  I thought you needed a docs prescription to get a syringe.
I certainly don't know where to get one here, sadly enough...

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Re: Mason Jar substitute [Re: kablamo]
    #10104040 - 04/04/09 07:03 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

just use a dry layer of verm,that's used to filter out contams,
i got my syringes from a vendor,you can try feed store's anywhere that carries horse supply's and fame equipment,but the tip has to be big enough so no hospital needles ! :flyhigh:


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Re: Mason Jar substitute [Re: kablamo]
    #10104045 - 04/04/09 07:05 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

And could someone point me to exactly what PP is?  Is it some kind of plasic?

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Re: Mason Jar substitute [Re: kablamo]
    #10104068 - 04/04/09 07:15 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

yup. did you check out that link ?


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Re: Mason Jar substitute [Re: kablamo]
    #10104085 - 04/04/09 07:25 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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kablamo said:
Awesome guys, thanks a lot.

For the incubation period, do you want to have absolutely no air leakage if you can help it? Or is a little bit fine.  I was thinking of using Saran wrap on top of the foil after I inoculate, or maybe a rubber band, or jeez, so many possibilities.

I guess one requirement is for them to be absolutely clear so you can see the mycelium clearly.

Also, where the hell do you guys get syringes from?  I thought you needed a docs prescription to get a syringe.
I certainly don't know where to get one here, sadly enough...





You need gas exchange during colinisation which the inoculation holes provide plenty off, with foil lids you also have gas exchange happening around where the foil meats the glass. Rubber bands can help.

PP is a type of plastic. food storage containers are usually made of them. Its also a recyclable material. The tubs will usually have it stamped on the bottom, look for a recycling triangle with PP or 5 in it.


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PF TEK - writeup by EvilMushroom666
Lets Grow Mushrooms - RogerRabbit & RoadKills website with sample videos plus the full PF TEK video series. Alot of great information - BUY THE DVD
Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong
Franks Simple Coir/Verm Tek
Franks Proper Pasturisation Tek
Franks Spawning To Bulk - Monotub
Professor Pinheads RTV Injection Port Tek
Foo Mans No Soak WBS Prep Tek

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Re: Mason Jar substitute [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10104134 - 04/04/09 07:47 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

m08b08 said:
yup. did you check out that link ?



Oh... yeah i'm retarded, thanks.

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Re: Mason Jar substitute [Re: kablamo]
    #10104315 - 04/04/09 09:19 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I completely support Spongiform's Plastic Tek. I did a test one while doing my last batch of brf half-pints and it fully colonized much earlier than any of it's glass brothers.

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kablamo said:
For the incubation period, do you want to have absolutely no air leakage if you can help it? Or is a little bit fine.  I was thinking of using Saran wrap on top of the foil after I inoculate, or maybe a rubber band, or jeez, so many possibilities.




You need gaseous exchange, so you should not have it 100% airtight.  Tin foil scrunched on tightly over the mouth of a shotglass with breathable micropore tape keeping the tinfoil in place did the job for me once. I inoculated through the tinfoil and covered the injection point with micro-pore.

There are many ways you can go about this. Once you grasp the basics of fungal growth, the possibilities are endless: you could grow mushrooms off of undergarments or burritos like that mad man Roger Rabbit does.

Goodluck to you and your future cultivation endeavors!

PS: Someone told me that Cannabis is like $60 a gram in Japan, is there any truth to this?


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Re: Mason Jar substitute [Re: Moniker_Mike]
    #10104540 - 04/04/09 10:32 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Someone told me that Cannabis is like $60 a gram in Japan, is there any truth to this?



They weren't lying.  It was 5000 to 6000 yen (50-60) a gram when i got here. However, in the last three months, several university students, and a lot of sumo wrestlers were caught with weed, less than a gram, and it caused a media fuck frenzy of paranoia and anti drug sentiment, and of course as always in this country, BLAME THE FOREIGNERS. Everybody's freaking out because these poor, poor, innocent 24 year old graduate student ADULTS (who bought or grew the weed themselves) have been perverted by these damn lowlife scumbag foreigners and their dangerous anti-collectivist philosophy!
So now enforcement is at an all time high and all the Pakistani guys in Ame-mura(America town) in Osaka aren't selling it anymore unless they already know you, and if they are, you can bet your ass you'll be paying 8000 or 9000 yen (80 or 90 bucks) for a measly gram of what is obviously somebody else's shake.
On top of that, I've been searched illegally 4 times since i moved here, once when i was walking with my three year old son. BECAUSE I'M FUCKING WHITE in the wrong part of town.
98 percent of cannabis possession cases end up as convictions in the Japanese court system.

I'm sick of this fucking place.
Seriously.  I always thought people from my hometown were fucking stupid, but I've witnessed more closed minded stupidity here in Japan than I ever saw in Oklahoma or Hawaii.

Case in point: There was an outdoor blood drive and I was with my friend, who's a black chick from Canada. She was giving blood, and like 6 women in their 40s and 50s all started crowding around her watching her blood get taken.
When the nurse finally hit an artery and blood filled up the tube, we both heard one woman exclaim to her friends "Yappari aka!" Which translates roughly to, "Oh my god, it IS red!"
I've seriously almost lost my lunch when I heard that...
And what really takes the cake is that "Yappari aka" is REALLY easy Japanese to understand if you live here or have any conversational Japanese study, so this meant two things.
1. They thought because she was black, her blood should be a different color,
2. That there was no way she could have understood such a simple phrase in Japanese.

Seriously.  I have no response to that, just... fuck here.

On the good side, I've turned on (Tim Leary style) at least 25 Japanese people to psychedelics and ecstatic experience.

When you are THAT deeply oppressed by your society, the revelations of a first trip on HBWR seeds in a forest with a good shamanic guide are probably more amazing than I will ever be able to fathom.

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