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Spawning bulk sub?
    #10102987 - 04/03/09 10:40 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I plan on using WBS and spawn  to straw/hpoo mix.

My question is, Would it be better to mix the WBS in with the substrate, or layer it?
And if I were to layer it, would it be better to have less substrate on the bottom and more on top or just do multiple layers?


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Re: Spawning bulk sub? [Re: Alabama Slim]
    #10103049 - 04/03/09 10:53 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I was thinking about the same thing, mix it all up and then top it off with a thin layer of pure sub. Do you case your subs or not?


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Re: Spawning bulk sub? [Re: Alabama Slim]
    #10103126 - 04/03/09 11:13 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

What is a good WBS tek? Iv been reading several teks and threads, and it seems as though some methods are out of date. I just dont want to waste time following a bogus tek.

I started following docs tek and then realized through reading a post that removing the floating BSS was a complete waste of time. Any proven methods would be appreciated.


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Re: Spawning bulk sub? [Re: Bugzy]
    #10103173 - 04/03/09 11:25 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

In my area, organic rye berries are half or less the price of wbs, and ten times better.  I don't even mess with wbs any more.
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Re: Spawning bulk sub? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10103284 - 04/03/09 11:52 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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In my area, organic rye berries are half or less the price of wbs, and ten times better.  I don't even mess with wbs any more.
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I just saw them at "Whole Foods" market.  That place is Hella expensive.  I didn't even look at the price.  Now I'm going to have to look at the price and compare the price per pound as compared to my WBS.  If it's minimal, I'll make the switch.


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Re: Spawning bulk sub? [Re: Alabama Slim]
    #10103314 - 04/04/09 12:04 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I was planning on the rye berries, but the online cost is ridiculous. I have yet too find a local supplier. theres no "special" rye that I need too look for, is there?

Until I find rye, WBS will be fine. At least get a couple grows in.

Thanks for reminding me about 6T's tek Slimm- forgot about that one, and thanks RR
I have been reading/watching what I can of your Tekniques.

I was thinkin a whole foods place, but wasnt sure if they would work. Let me know what the price difference is Shroomery


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Re: Spawning bulk sub? [Re: Bugzy]
    #10103641 - 04/04/09 02:12 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

In my limited experience, colonized WBS is WAY harder to break up compared to rye. I have just been experimenting with different grain spawns. I think I will try rye grass seed next. I my local health food store they have rye grain for $1.25/lb. Definitely more expensive than WBS but it is all about what you are looking to spend.

I must say that is somewhat confuses me on this board that people are looking to buy simple things like grain over the internet. IMHO it is more of a hassle to get that stuff shipped.

I surely have not been everywhere, but I believe that wherever you live it is possible to get stuff locally...even if it isnt the most ideal.

For example I can find WBS cheap at the grocery store, the hardware store, and at the Wal-Mart type store (although i dont shop there unless I absolutely have to).

Use what you can. My first mono that I just did was the result of basic experimenation with innoculating grains grains...I used 3 quarts popcorn, and 1.5q WBS---my first flush was over 3oz. dry with a very small mini-monotub.

I used coir with a little cow manure and coffee for substrate....I am convinced that for substrate it is all about a reasonable diversity in composition. People on this board say that cow manure is inferior to Hpoo...I found a 5lb bag of cow manure for $3 and picked it up because it is harder to find natural manure in the winter where I live. I will certainly try Hpoo, but I still have a huge bag of cow manure that has proved to be a great success.

So, what i have learned is use what you can get locally....I would refuse to pay shipping for something as bulky as substrate when I feel the money is better spent on mycological supplies that are not readily available [agar, syringes, etc...]

I started out in this hobby after spending several years brewing beer...when I got into all grain brewing I realized there is a myriad of conflicting information on the internet and you just need to do what works for you.

For your purposes, if you understand the basics of the basidiomycota life cycle and environmental requirements you can creatively improvise with great results. I learned the basics of mycology in an undergraduate botany class...what is ironic is that my first test on fungi life cycle I failed miserably....around the same time I started with the PF Tek and within a short amount of time had an intuitive understanding of the life cycle of basidiomycetes.

If you don't have rye available locally, get WBS and use it until you can find a reasonable source for rye and get alot of it, its may not be worth it to order that kind of stuff off the internet if you are just experimenting.

Back when I was cultivating some other things, I remember someone saying: "using organic nutrients is like making a soup, it takes what it needs there is no point where it will be ultimately ruined"....just stay away from miracle grow or corporate chemical stuff and you will be fine....just make sure your sanitizing, moisture levels, and air exchange is OK.

Even when you understand these basics, the Shroomery is an amazing resource. Learn from other peoples successes and mistakes. When you are successful, make prints and trade them. There are alot of good people here who are dedicated to exploring practical methods and sharing, whether it is through failures or successes.

After all, you are growing fungus. Be sterile, have common sense, don't feed your mushrooms chemicals or you will be eating chemicals. Quality ingredients are often right in front of you....don't give your mushrooms anything that you wouldn't eat. Treat them with care and they will reward you. Making something from literally nothing (i.e 10cc of spore solution)

Most of all, have a little patience. Expecting natural processes to conform to deadlines is a way of thinking characteristic of the capitalist mode of production, which I think we are all in some way interested in subverting.

Sorry if this was long, I am just reflecting on my experiences.

Peace. G.H.

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Re: Spawning bulk sub? [Re: GetHyphae]
    #10104369 - 04/04/09 09:38 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

No apologize needed, I like long informative posts, and that was a great insight for a noob such as myself.

The only reason I haven't been able to find rye and a few other things, is because I am limited for transportation at the moment. Im sure I'll find a health food store around here somewhere.

And as far as ordering online, F***K that. $5 bag of Black kow would cost $90 to ship and 200 for nxt day. Thats ridiculous. I found a horse farm that will let me buy 40lb+ bails of straw for $5 and I can shovel as much shit as I can take with me :grin:

I have a Malabar syringe on its way, I might make a log if I can find a cam. Thanks for the advice G.H.


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