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hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw
#10098302 - 04/02/09 11:40 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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i have checked wal-mart and pet stores but yet to check the local crafts store if i cant find it there . can anyone send me a great price for like 15 -20 lbs?
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: shrooman420]
#10098317 - 04/02/09 11:44 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm in texas in san antonio, and I can not find it anywhere! I have to drive 90 minutes to get it. I'm goin soon
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: chobumms]
#10098395 - 04/03/09 12:10 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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coir makes an adequate replacement for it.
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: ScavengerType]
#10098434 - 04/03/09 12:21 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not a sponsor, but a good company. Although, check with the sponsors first, I just don't know if any sell wheat straw. Oh wait, Ralphstersspores.com, click on substrates, it even comes in a bag ready to pasteurize.
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: Green2whitethumb]
#10098710 - 04/03/09 02:26 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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feed stores dude. check out the yellowpages, one of them around me would let me get all the extra droppings that other people left behind for free.
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: fishy]
#10099230 - 04/03/09 08:43 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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AHHHHHH YESSS FEED STORES THX
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: shrooman420]
#10100957 - 04/03/09 03:29 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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WTF you didn't already check feed stores? That should be the first place to look!
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: ScavengerType]
#10101068 - 04/03/09 03:49 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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i Google searched it ..i looked at pet stores and wal-mart craft stores no luck..i couldnt think of a place that sold straw .finally I realized a place that sold it thanks to a previous poster thing is straw has foliage on it and i don't know if i should clean it up
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: shrooman420]
#10101082 - 04/03/09 03:52 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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like leaves? yea you ought to pick them out I suppose, don't waste your day on it or anything but it's not a bad idea.
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: ScavengerType]
#10101122 - 04/03/09 03:59 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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i am just worried about indo-spores,because there is some wheat in there too i think just seeing what everyone did to there straw i couldnt find anything on the forum about straw foliage . but its hairy with its own shedding and i want to do things right
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: shrooman420]
#10101125 - 04/03/09 04:00 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not sure if these stores are popular, or even exist outside of Texas (Cause were a bunch of redneck hicks compared to other states), but I often spot western clothe store type places with bails of straw stacked around there front doors of there store as a decoration. I just drive up after store hrs, and chunk one in my trunk and jet off... Some times there not straw, but are hay... I have had no problems with hay. Some people say not to use it, but it works the same for me.
I'm sure they don't care if one bail of straw/hay come up missing once a year lol... One lasts me forever.
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: shrooman420]
#10101159 - 04/03/09 04:06 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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shrooman420 said: i am just worried about indo-spores,because there is some wheat in there too i think just seeing what everyone did to there straw i couldnt find anything on the forum about straw foliage . but its hairy with its own shedding and i want to do things right
I use hay most of the time, and I have tuns of these in it.

I just shred it all up, and pasturize it all. haven't had a contam yet...
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: Boris]
#10101192 - 04/03/09 04:14 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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awesome ! you don't mind sharing with me a what to shred the straw up with? i don't own a weed-eater i was going to use scissors
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: shrooman420]
#10102225 - 04/03/09 07:20 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, I take a handful and run some scissors through it every 4-5 inches or so till I have my portion I want all in 5-6 inch pieces. Then I throw it in my blender by the generous handful, and it comes out like this:

If you just put a generous handful in at a time, it will chop more easily and faster. If you get impatient and start putting too much in, you'll need to put one hand on top of the canister and shake the shit out of it while its chopping to loosen it up and let it fall down into the blades. Putting too much usually ends up taking longer in the long run cause it gets clumped up, and you spend too much time shaking it like crazy. Each time you chop a portion, dump it off into a different bowl/container, rinse/repeat till you have it all chopped up.
You can chop it slightly more coarse then I like to chop mine. Most people like there straw real long and coarse. When its chopped small it adds plenty of aeration, and its ezer to work with. My subs generally look like this:

40% Straw/Hay 20% Cow Poo 20% Choir 10% Verm 5% Gypsum 5% Coffee (Straight out of the can, un-spent)
And when I bring this to Field capacity, I alter the waters PH with some of this:

It says 2 drops per gallon of water, I usually put like 20 Because Gypsum will neutralize the PH very easily, so I gotta put allot to overpower the gypsum. Myc grows allot faster/prefers a more acidic substrate. For an opposite example, thats why people put lime in casings. Lime is an alkaline increase, and it discourages myc from colonizing the casings.
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: Boris]
#10102433 - 04/03/09 08:02 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Check craigslist for your area for straw. Farmers will advertise there and many times have signs in the countryside for straw for sale.
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: Buckeye Oysters]
#10102441 - 04/03/09 08:04 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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@ Lowes, we sale wheat straw for 3.50 a bale........
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: rugergirl79]
#10102536 - 04/03/09 08:31 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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i found some already started a project with straw and LC in a HP jar..and i just picked up 12 1 qt wide mouth canning jars
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: shrooman420]
#10102778 - 04/03/09 09:44 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks for the advice on hay guys. I'm gona try some with some now. I was always discouraged from trying it because people said it would contaminate my work.
Have you considered using more coir, rather than verm in your sub? Coir seems to hold way more water than verm and with the straw the sub should be quite airy, though I am no expert on how airy a substrate should be.
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: ScavengerType]
#10102971 - 04/03/09 10:36 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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ScavengerType said: thanks for the advice on hay guys. I'm gona try some with some now. I was always discouraged from trying it because people said it would contaminate my work.
Have you considered using more coir, rather than verm in your sub? Coir seems to hold way more water than verm and with the straw the sub should be quite airy, though I am no expert on how airy a substrate should be.
Choir doesn't have good aeration alone. When I first ventured from PF tech to bulk, I used choir/verm/coffee. It took like a fucking month for that shit to colonize cause choir kinda compacts down on it self and doesn't leave very generous airy pathways for myc to tunnel through. Adding straw makes a hell of a difference... Hell, 100% straw alone is a badass sub... My sub mix now-days fully colonizes in 7-8-9-10 day range. An Acidic PH level in your subs makes a hell of a difference too. Not to mention weeds out allot of bacterial contams. Bacteria need basically a neutral PH substrate to thrive. Using gypsum is like taking a Tums, neutralizes your PH. Don't get me wrong, Mushrooms need calcium/minerals to produce Oxalic Acids/Calcium Oxalate. Thats why I counter those neutralizing minerals with:

people say its ezer to contract a contam with Hay because it has allot higher nutritional value apposed to all the low nutritional value subs like corn cob, choir, straw, ect. People compare hays nutritional value to that of grain. Your mushrooms get most of there nutrient from the grain spawn you use, not the actual bulk sub. Too bad grain doesn't hold water very well, (drys out easily) and doesn't retain water like most bulk substrates.
That being said, I will say again. I have never had a contam with hay. I don't understand why people say its more likely to contract a contam because something is more nutritious. Its not like a contam controls where it goes... It just floats through the air until it happens to land on your work.
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: ScavengerType]
#10102991 - 04/03/09 10:41 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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well thats not really the way to go with wheat..the best thing is start by watching Roger Rabbit's video on straw logs/laundry basket tech ..it teaches you how to spawn to bulk , i have a friend that is going to use wheat straw as a substrate in a monotub and he wants to learn everything he can before he does it so i am helping him out:P you get alot of weight from straw and its a cheap substrate and i hear it make the shroomies big and potent
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: shrooman420]
#10103071 - 04/03/09 10:58 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Use straw, not hay. Hay is a combination of grasses, weeds, wild flowers, you name it. If it's growing in the field, the farmer bails it up. Straw is hollow and has hundreds, if not thousands of passageways in every piece for the mycelium to work through as you can see from the picture below. It also holds a lOT of water and air, which hay will not.
Use a weed eater or lawnmower to chop it. Trying to chop enough for a laundry basket or straw log with scissors would blister every one of your fingers. I've used large hedge clippers before, but what a pain in the ass.
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That being said, I will say again. I have never had a contam with hay. I don't understand why people say its more likely to contract a contam because something is more nutritious. Its not like a contam controls where it goes... It just floats through the air until it happens to land on your work.
The biggest problem with hay is the seeds that are in it tend to make an ideal habitat for molds. Pasteurize with lime, to RAISE the pH. I don't know of anybody who uses gypsum with straw. Use gypsum with coir, and never try to adjust the coir pH down, because it's already about a pH of 5. Bacteria is not a contaminant of bulk substrates-Green molds are, and the lower the pH, the greater the chances of trichoderma. RR
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: shrooman420]
#10103309 - 04/04/09 12:01 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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actually Boris, google it, gypsum does not effect PH. I remember being in a long debate where I was on the other side of this issue because RR was quite clear of gypsum's role in PH, but when I researched the matter I found many professional mushroom facilities saying that it had no effect on PH and was mostly important for calcium.
So your likely just over acidifying your substrate. If it's working for you it may be a serious step up as RR suggests using lime while soaking straw, though I don't think it has anything to do with PH. I'm wondering if coffee would work similar to the additive you are using as it is often used with grain prep for similar reasons. I usually drink a pot and give the coffee grounds a second go for the grains. I could likely do this for hay if I did 3 or 4 runs from it. Do you test the PH of the water while soaking the straw/hay?
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Re: hey im having a hard time finding wheat straw [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10105700 - 04/04/09 02:53 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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ScavengerType said: Do you test the PH of the water while soaking the straw/hay?
The bottle says to use 2 drops per gallon. I put like 20 in the amount of water I use to bring the sub to field capacity... I thought Gypsum was Calcium Carbonate, but its Calcium Sulfate. Carbonates are what will neutralize your sub Some people use Calcium Carbonate Sand as a Calcium auditive instead of Gypsum.
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RogerRabbit said: I don't know of anybody who uses gypsum with straw. Use gypsum with coir, and never try to adjust the coir pH down, because it's already about a pH of 5. Bacteria is not a contaminant of bulk substrates-Green molds are, and the lower the pH, the greater the chances of trichoderma. RR
Well, I don't JUST use straw. My subs are heavy in straw, but also has choir, cow poo, verm, coffee, ect. I get cobweb if I'm not cageful because when it rains real hard my apt ceiling leaks a lil. I'm sure there is all kinds of cobweb myc growing in the attic area, and thats where the AC air runs through. other then that, I never see Trich. I have a $100 Hepa Air purifier in my prep room, and my grow room, I'm sure its helping with sporal contams. Not much I can do about a constant stream of Cobweb myc debris blowing through my AC vents...
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