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ashesofman
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Polati
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: ashesofman]
#10094735 - 04/02/09 02:28 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Miracle Gro perlite is the only stuff I've been able to find. You have to wet the perlite anyways, so I would think that would wash anything away. I haven't had any issues.
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: Polati]
#10094766 - 04/02/09 02:32 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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same here.
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: Polati]
#10094898 - 04/02/09 02:51 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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The miracle grow added to the perlite can burn the mycelium, don't use it unless you have no other option. As long as your cakes don't touch the perlite, you should be fine though.
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CubieMcCuberton said: The miracle grow added to the perlite can burn the mycelium, don't use it unless you have no other option. As long as your cakes don't touch the perlite, you should be fine though.
-Whatever kidd. Your just talkin without knowing.
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I have the miracle grow perlite,its just a brand, its not like medicated perlite.
well i believe there is also some with plant food or something in it.
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CubieMcCuberton said: The miracle grow added to the perlite can burn the mycelium, don't use it unless you have no other option. As long as your cakes don't touch the perlite, you should be fine though.
???? Burn mycelium? that's a new one.
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JPmagic
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I use the Miracle Grow perlite in my shotgun FC, and it works just fine. Nothing needed to be done besides soaking it in water anyways.
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: HazeyRoms]
#10096005 - 04/02/09 05:39 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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ArthurSalenez said:
???? Burn mycelium? that's a new one.
A new one? That is pretty damn far from a new one. When mycelium comes into contact with something that is very PH imbalanced, for example, hydrated lime which is very basic, this can burn the mycelium. A chemical burn, not a flame or heat burn obviously.
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-Whatever kidd. Your just talkin without knowing.
Ummmm, ok kidd. You are "talkin without knowing" dumbass. If one were to put their cakes into contact with miracle grow perlite (given that it has miracle grow liquid plant food in it) it could very well damage the mycelium. If you want to test it and try it out go ahead. I am not saying that it WOULD burn the myc im just saying why risk it when it could, and also when it could encourage algal growth on the perlite etc.
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from my understanding the cakes or wtv shouldn't be directly touching the perlite in the first place, so it should be fine
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bloomersooner said: from my understanding the cakes or wtv shouldn't be directly touching the perlite in the first place, so it should be fine
I was always under this impression as well
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: Blutjager]
#10096129 - 04/02/09 05:59 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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the fert value on the miracle grow is like .02-.1-.3 or smth on NPK...not high enough to burn shit....will work fine
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infinitechaos7
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CubieMcCuberton said: Ummmm, ok kidd. You are "talkin without knowing" dumbass. If one were to put their cakes into contact with miracle grow perlite (given that it has miracle grow liquid plant food in it) it could very well damage the mycelium. If you want to test it and try it out go ahead. I am not saying that it WOULD burn the myc im just saying why risk it when it could, and also when it could encourage algal growth on the perlite etc.
Algal growth? Come on. How the hell would algae ever start growing on perlite? Algae doesn't just appear anywhere food is present and particularly not on perlite in a terrarium inside of your house.
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Algal growth? Come on. How the hell would algae ever start growing on perlite? Algae doesn't just appear anywhere food is present and particularly not on perlite in a terrarium inside of your house.
Are you serious? High humidity, plant food on perlite, sunlight, that would grow algae. check it http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9171387#9171387
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: Blutjager]
#10097727 - 04/02/09 09:55 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Blutjager said:
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bloomersooner said: from my understanding the cakes or wtv shouldn't be directly touching the perlite in the first place, so it should be fine
I was always under this impression as well
-Yeah, I don't let anything touch perlite either. So I don't see it burning the myc if it isn't touching anyway barney guy.
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: HazeyRoms]
#10098471 - 04/03/09 12:38 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Barney guy is right guys....
sorry to say =-/
miracle grow pearlite DOES have fertilizer in it as an enrichment for plants.
and yes nutrients plus sunlight plus moisture = algae
I do have to say that I will be returning my pearlite to the store that I bought it at and going to the farm supply place for a 4 cubic foot bag of dense pearlite
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: potatonet]
#10098685 - 04/03/09 02:13 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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you could just flush it with water for awhile, that would most likely get all of the added chemicals out. then again, i have no idea how they make MG perlite so i could be wrong.
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: fishy]
#10100949 - 04/03/09 03:28 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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its probably like barkey said.
they soak it in miracle grow liquid nutrient.
most nutrients are clear when being made, they add color to them to make them seem more appealing
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A new one? That is pretty damn far from a new one. When mycelium comes into contact with something that is very PH imbalanced, for example, hydrated lime which is very basic, this can burn the mycelium. A chemical burn, not a flame or heat burn obviously.
I meant a new one for me. I had no idea...
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ArthurSalenez said:
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A new one? That is pretty damn far from a new one. When mycelium comes into contact with something that is very PH imbalanced, for example, hydrated lime which is very basic, this can burn the mycelium. A chemical burn, not a flame or heat burn obviously.
I meant a new one for me. I had no idea...
Oh alright man, no worries then sorry
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I have used miracal grow perlite for all my PFtek grows and it doesnt effect anything as long as you put a foil/screen/lid berrier under your cake. just rince b4 you use it, which you do anyway and everything will work just fine.
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Shroominit
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Uh, had to tell you guys: Don't use sulphiric acid on your cakes, it will burn them. I tried it once and it was a very bad idea.
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: Shroominit]
#10104536 - 04/04/09 10:31 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shroominit said: Uh, had to tell you guys: Don't use sulphiric acid on your cakes, it will burn them. I tried it once and it was a very bad idea.
Why would you do that???
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: JPmagic]
#10104643 - 04/04/09 11:05 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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JPmagic said:
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Shroominit said: Uh, had to tell you guys: Don't use sulphiric acid on your cakes, it will burn them. I tried it once and it was a very bad idea.
Why would you do that???
Don't you know, man? You trip out on acid... (j/k)
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: options]
#10105135 - 04/04/09 12:42 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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options said:
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JPmagic said:
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Shroominit said: Uh, had to tell you guys: Don't use sulphiric acid on your cakes, it will burn them. I tried it once and it was a very bad idea.
Why would you do that???
Don't you know, man? You trip out on acid... (j/k) 
Lol. I don't think he was being serious about the Acid. 
**Edit: I have a bowl of substrate with Miracle gro moisture contol gourmet plantfood soil , miracle gro perlite, some water and brown rice flower colonizing in the closet. I'll tell you if I smell any Mycellium burning
Edited by Booju (04/04/09 12:47 PM)
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: Booju]
#10105324 - 04/04/09 01:25 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would think in the name of safety and sterility that you would boil the perlite rinse well, boil, than rinse well again. Maybe then it could be reused. I always use just a square of foil to sit my cakes on.
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: Wunbadmofo]
#10105494 - 04/04/09 02:15 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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you dont need to boil the pearlite...or the water you are putting on the pearlite thats just stupid
you are introducing a FULLY COLONIZED cake into non sterile conditions (you are fanning air in and putting water on these things), rinse the pearlite under tap water, put it in the chamber, put your cakes on aluminum foil, done.
watch the damn RR videos
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Edited by potatonet (04/04/09 02:16 PM)
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Shroominit
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: potatonet]
#10105510 - 04/04/09 02:20 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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potatonet, I advise you to think before you post.
They were talking about removing nutrients from the perlite, which RR does not have because he does not use the "Miracle Gro" brand. He uses much more coarse stuff that I think he said he found at a nursery.
(Also, for the sulphiric acid, yeah I put it on everything organic, just for fun. It basically depletes the moisture and is highly acidic, this tends to cause an exothermic reaction thus literally and figuratively "burning" things.)
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ArthurSalenez
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A new one? That is pretty damn far from a new one. When mycelium comes into contact with something that is very PH imbalanced, for example, hydrated lime which is very basic, this can burn the mycelium. A chemical burn, not a flame or heat burn obviously.
I meant a new one for me. I had no idea...
Oh alright man, no worries then sorry
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potatonet
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: Shroominit]
#10105722 - 04/04/09 02:57 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shroominit,
It doesn't matter, they were talking about sterility.
the mushrooms are not coming into contact with the pearlite and the nutrients aren't going to simply evaporate in a 100% humid environment.
please read who I was replying to before telling me to think about what I am posting.
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Shroominit
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: potatonet]
#10106606 - 04/04/09 06:47 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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So he used the wrong word in his post, don't have to be a dick to me about it.
He was talking about washing and reusing perlite, if you have had ANY contamination at all in your FC, I would definitely do more than just adding water to rehydrate the perlite.
I don't care how colonized your cake is, if you drop it into a trich-spore infested FC, it will contaminate before it flushes, or at least before the second flush.
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potatonet
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: Shroominit]
#10106667 - 04/04/09 06:57 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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this is why you alcohol wash your FC between flushes and replace the pearlite...
they sell it in 4 cubic foot bags for a reason...
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potatonet
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: potatonet]
#10106676 - 04/04/09 06:59 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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you could probably do some kind of pearlite pressure cook thing if you really felt the need to re-use the pearlite.
it costs me 20 dollars for 4 cubic feet, which is about 8 flushes with my FC
PS. Sorry if I was a
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Edited by potatonet (04/04/09 06:59 PM)
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Shroominit
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: potatonet]
#10106703 - 04/04/09 07:04 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not saying you should do it and I agree that if you have some lying around, just use that. If you're bent on reusing it though, you should do something to get it clean... baking it dry is the best way in my opinion.
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I've used Miracle-Gro Perlite in my FC and have had no problem. I rinsed it well under the faucet with a strainer, but didn't sterilize it.
According to the bag the perlite also contains Nitrogen, Phosphate, and Soluble potash (I don't know much chemistry, but those all sound like stuff that should be rinsed out......and also woodchips...the bag doesn't mention that, but there was definately woodchips mixed in (not a lot, I was able to pick them all out by hand).
I've had no problems though, just don't let the cakes/mushies touch the perlite. I know thats been said a lot already, but I'm just agreeing.
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potatonet
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: scoops]
#10106913 - 04/04/09 07:43 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah those are just fertilizer components.
baking it dry sounds like a fabulous idea...
put it in a big pan and set it on 400 for an hour or so...
I like that...
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: scoops]
#10106943 - 04/04/09 07:50 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I accidentally picked up 2 bags of Miracle-Gro Perlite, not realizing that they actually went and added plant food to the damn stuff. It's good to see that people have used it in their grows with no problems, so thanks to everybody who commented on this. I'm trying to figure out whether to use mine or not. It's good to know that the Miracle-Gro perlite isn't completely horrible, in case I can't find another brand before I need to get my FC ready.
So I'll definitely rinse it really well, but I wonder what the best method would be to get as much of the plant food out as possible? Maybe rinsing it really well with a bleach solution and then baking the moisture off... would that be overkill? I refuse to lose my first batch of shrooms to Miracle-Gro :P
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potatonet
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Re: Miracle Gro Perlite [Re: init]
#10107028 - 04/04/09 08:06 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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just wash it...
its soluble nutrient anyways...
the bag I got was from a farm supply store (find one local and get some, I think it was aztec perlite company that made the stuff)
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