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My first and only!
    #10093994 - 04/02/09 12:43 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Hi this is my first try, and this is the result:



There is quite a bit blue on the cake in several places, but i figure it is just bruising and not contamination, since people say blue bruising is normal if you poke the cake, well I was stupid and didn't see that the jar i had was not only straight (i thought i would get it out anyway), but that it had wider bottom (which I did't see), so it took quite some violence and squeezing the cake with broad knife inside the jar to get it out.

For three weeks nothing happened except blue bruising, but the I put the cake in water for 12 hours and back to the terrarium, and and this is what I got.

It is not much, but it is something,  and considering how mean I was to the cake to get it out of the jar I am quite happy it gave me something.

I guess next step is, harvest, bade the cake for 12 hours again and hope for more?


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Re: My first and only! [Re: Buben]
    #10094124 - 04/02/09 12:57 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

nice man! plus remember when you put something to keep the cakes from BOBBING up when you dunked them? something to weigh them down?

that could of bruised them as well... mine have bruising too.. i used the metal thing that sits in bottom of the pressure cooker wih holes in it.. like a metal plate..

plus i would clean my hands & touch them on top evey once in a while if they looked dry..

its crazy that all that blue is the good stuff.

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Re: My first and only! [Re: HorusTh3Chrous]
    #10094457 - 04/02/09 01:53 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

since when did blue = good?

Not saying its bad, but its not necessarily a good thing...


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Re: My first and only! [Re: HorusTh3Chrous]
    #10094602 - 04/02/09 02:12 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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modsquad09 said:
nice man! plus remember when you put something to keep the cakes from BOBBING up when you dunked them? something to weigh them down?

that could of bruised them as well... mine have bruising too.. i used the metal thing that sits in bottom of the pressure cooker wih holes in it.. like a metal plate..

plus i would clean my hands & touch them on top evey once in a while if they looked dry..

its crazy that all that blue is the good stuff.




Thanks, no I just had it swimming freely, but I am going to weight it down this time.


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Re: My first and only! [Re: Buben]
    #10094668 - 04/02/09 02:19 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

yea id def. keep an eye on it.. just make sure its not green!

blue usually means high psilocybin content i thought.. i could be wrong of course, i mean mold can be blue too haha

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Re: My first and only! [Re: HorusTh3Chrous]
    #10094746 - 04/02/09 02:29 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

no. blueing, or normally called bruising, is just a reaction from being abused...or touched. I dont believe it has anything to do with psilocybin content...


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Re: My first and only! [Re: HorusTh3Chrous]
    #10094857 - 04/02/09 02:45 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

well when you bruise a shroom its turns blue.. i was told that was psilocybin

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Re: My first and only! [Re: HorusTh3Chrous]
    #10095141 - 04/02/09 03:25 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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modsquad09 said:
well when you bruise a shroom its turns blue.. i was told that was psilocybin



not always, check out some boletes.


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Re: My first and only! Weight. [Re: alteredstates]
    #10096221 - 04/02/09 06:17 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Did harvest it now, seems to be about 5g.


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Re: My first and only! [Re: alteredstates]
    #10096629 - 04/02/09 07:24 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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modsquad09 said:
well when you bruise a shroom its turns blue.. i was told that was psilocybin



not always, check out some boletes.




so what is in them that causes the blue... is psilocybin colorless than?

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Re: My first and only! Weight. [Re: Buben]
    #10096700 - 04/02/09 07:37 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Did harvest it now, seems to be about 5g.




dry?


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Re: My first and only! [Re: iskinbash]
    #10096938 - 04/02/09 08:12 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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since when did blue = good?

Not saying its bad, but its not necessarily a good thing...




since always....

typically the more blue you see the better. kinda like the trichomes on  your buds.  haha


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Re: My first and only! [Re: shroomiin]
    #10097493 - 04/02/09 09:30 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

not when its on your cakes. If the blueing is anything, it would be the oxidization of psilocin, not psilocybin. Since psilocin breaks down when exposed to oxygen, the more blue would indicate more potency loss. But there have been many people going back and forth, and i really am not sure...but do you have a reason why you would believe the blueing indicates more potency? or are you just going with 'cause everybody says so'.

There are other species that have the blueing reaction, yet have no active compounds...


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Re: My first and only! [Re: iskinbash]
    #10097528 - 04/02/09 09:34 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

hey if u wanna really make that shroom worth your while you should go clone it or make a spore syring but i suggest clonning
you will get very fast growth and a lot of syringe worth of liquid


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Re: My first and only! [Re: iskinbash]
    #10097605 - 04/02/09 09:42 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

i would think if blueing was a good thing, and that its caused by abuse and/or dry conditions right? than everyone would be flicking at their stuff or purposely making it too dry

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Re: My first and only! [Re: bloomersooner]
    #10097619 - 04/02/09 09:44 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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i would think if blueing was a good thing, and that its caused by abuse and/or dry conditions right? than everyone would be flicking at their stuff or purposely making it too dry




i play with my stuff all the time and when it gets too dry just put some lotion on it dude, never had any blueing though


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Re: My first and only! Weight. [Re: huricanedrew]
    #10098825 - 04/03/09 03:50 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Buben said:
Did harvest it now, seems to be about 5g.




dry?




No, unfortunately.


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Re: My first and only! [Re: bloomersooner]
    #10099016 - 04/03/09 06:21 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Q: There is a persistent rumor in my area about psilocybin mushrooms that says if you get a bag with a lot of blue colored shrooms in it, that means it's more potent. Wouldn't a blue color at best have no effect and at worst be a sign of contamination?

A: The bluing reaction is widely believed to be the result of the presence of psilocin in the mushroom. The bluing is believed to be caused by the oxidization of currently unidentified chemical. Although speculative, the bluing reaction is considered by Paul Stamets to "parallel" the degradation of psilocin. In Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World, Stamets writes: "Apparently, the bluing pigmentation is a result of a phenomenon paralleling the degradation of unstable psilocin (dephosphorylated psilocybin) to presently unknown compounts by enzymes within the mushroom cells." (pg 56). According to this theory, bluing in these species means there is (or was) some psilocin present (don't use that as the only method of identification). Many people theorize that more blue means the mushroom is more potent, but there is no evidence for this that I know of.

In fact, it's possible that the opposite may be true. Jochen Gartz reports that in P. cubenisis, "the spontaneous bluing is a sign of a significant decomposition of the alkaloids".(1) So the blue may be the result of the destruction of psilocin...meaning the more blue a specific mushroom has on it, the less potent that mushroom is.

More likely is that the bluing has little to do with the overall content of psilocin or psilocybin. Several papers address this possibility.(2,3,4) It is known that several mushrooms which do not contain any psilocybin or psilocin, have a bluing reaction. It is also known that some mushrooms that do contain psilocybin and psilocin do not bruise at all.

At this point, the true cause of bluing, and therefore its relationship with the potency of any particular mushroom, is unknown.

The actual bluing reaction doesn't have anything to do with contamination. If one is familiar with the bluing of mushrooms, the natural bluing reaction can generally be differentiated from any mold or mildew which might grow on mushrooms.




Read that...it seems to be still unknown, but those are the most likely reasons.


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Re: My first and only! [Re: iskinbash]
    #10099048 - 04/03/09 07:06 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Well it does not matter now :frown:

After 12 hours soaking in water, the cake smells sour apples, and looked bit slimy in several places, even though that slimy look went away after few minutes, it still doesn't smell right, it actually became my first and only shroom, too small for one person, with two :crazy2: people looking at it.

I see no choice but throw away the cake. :sad:


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Re: My first and only! [Re: Buben]
    #10099054 - 04/03/09 07:09 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

aww. bummer dude. On to the next grow! You should make multiple jars next time.


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