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pftek
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Boiling WBS for 10 minutes - yes or no?
#10078181 - 03/31/09 01:47 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Soaking WBS for 12 hours.
Then putting in a pot filled with water. Heat water and WBS until ROLLING boil. Keeping it there for 10 minutes.
I've been having a lot of trouble with sticky WBS. I'm hoping this will cause my WBS not to be sticky. My reasoning is that the soak will protect it from bursting in the boiling water.
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Re: Boiling WBS for 10 minutes - yes or no? [Re: pftek]
#10078195 - 03/31/09 01:52 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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actually the soak/simmer/boil dessnt matter. as long as yo pc, the other stuff wont make much of a difference.the pc will kill the bacteria in the endospore.
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Edited by gotfungus (03/31/09 01:53 AM)
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pftek
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Re: Boiling WBS for 10 minutes - yes or no? [Re: gotfungus]
#10078207 - 03/31/09 01:55 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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gotfungus said: actually the soak/simmer/boil dessnt matter. as long as yo pc, the other stuff wont make much of a difference.the pc will kill the bacteria in the endospore.
not worried about endospores. worried about stickiness as it's impossible to dry (most important). and also causes annoying clumping.
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Re: Boiling WBS for 10 minutes - yes or no? [Re: pftek]
#10078215 - 03/31/09 01:58 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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then just wait to put in to jars. the wbs shouldnt stick to your hands before you put it into the jars to be pressure cooked. it should look to be a little dry, but defiantly not wet.
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Edited by gotfungus (03/31/09 01:59 AM)
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Re: Boiling WBS for 10 minutes - yes or no? [Re: gotfungus]
#10078237 - 03/31/09 02:03 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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The boiling isn't done to kill anything, it's done to bring the moisture content up to field capacity. Try eating rice after just soaking it for twelve hours. *crunchcrunchcrunch*
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Re: Boiling WBS for 10 minutes - yes or no? [Re: German Kahuna]
#10078318 - 03/31/09 02:36 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I say YES. I have tried with and without simmering, and the soak-only WBS always stalls out after 20-30% colonization due to it being too dry, where as the ones that were simmered went fine 100% of the time.
Simmering gets the water content right and also speeds up the drying process as the grains are hot and the water on the outside just evaporates off.
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Re: Boiling WBS for 10 minutes - yes or no? [Re: emstik5]
#10078412 - 03/31/09 03:22 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Simmering gets the water content right and also speeds up the drying process as the grains are hot and the water on the outside just evaporates off.
this alone is a great reason to simmer, left to drain for an hour /30 minutes while the stream rushes off, gets you to exact moisture content.
10 minutes is a nice time for no stickyness either.
I say soak / boil / load!
Thanks RR.!!
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Re: Boiling WBS for 10 minutes - yes or no? [Re: FractalXplora]
#10078456 - 03/31/09 03:52 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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FractalXplora said: [quote
Simmering gets the water content right and also speeds up the drying process as the grains are hot and the water on the outside just evaporates off.
this alone is a great reason to simmer, left to drain for an hour /30 minutes while the stream rushes off, gets you to exact moisture content.
10 minutes is a nice time for no stickyness either.
I say soak / boil / load!
Thanks RR.!!
Wait simmer or boil?
what's the difference?
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Re: Boiling WBS for 10 minutes - yes or no? [Re: pftek]
#10078501 - 03/31/09 04:17 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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i just do a rolling (full) boil for ten minuets.
simmer is where bubbles are just breaking the surface.
boil and stir that beast for 10 minuets and you'll be sound. and use the stream to help water evaporate when draining.
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Re: Boiling WBS for 10 minutes - yes or no? [Re: FractalXplora]
#10078525 - 03/31/09 04:28 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't like to simmer or boil wbs, of the spawn bags that I did that with they became a solid brick, the ones I soaked and drained and pc'ed are very free flowing. Dealing with that much hot water and wbs is annoying, and at least on mine, it had this nasty gravy like substance everywhere...so see what you prefer and just do that.
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Re: Boiling WBS for 10 minutes - yes or no? [Re: pftek]
#10078753 - 03/31/09 06:37 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wait simmer or boil?
what's the difference?
There is no difference really, once water gets to 100DegC it doesn't get any hotter until it evaporates off as steam. I know what you are saying will work with rye grain but I have no experience with WBS. Sorry:(
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Re: Boiling WBS for 10 minutes - yes or no? [Re: pftek]
#10079624 - 03/31/09 10:59 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
pftek said:
I've been having a lot of trouble with sticky WBS.
Maybe you need to rinse the WBS off after the simmering to get gelatin off
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Re: Boiling WBS for 10 minutes - yes or no? [Re: scifipirate]
#10092022 - 04/02/09 02:09 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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scifipirate said:
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pftek said:
I've been having a lot of trouble with sticky WBS.
Maybe you need to rinse the WBS off after the simmering to get gelatin off 
maybe rinse with boiling water then, as the steam rising helps get the moisture right while draining.
DO a hand test if loads sticks to your hand , its too wet, if most falls off apart from a tiny few, your good to go.
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Edited by FractalXplora (04/02/09 02:09 AM)
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Re: Boiling WBS for 10 minutes - yes or no? [Re: FractalXplora]
#10092496 - 04/02/09 05:53 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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i just follow foo's method
1. rinse wbs in cold water and handle floaters such as sunflower seeds. water gotta be really cold as not to mess with moisture content. after rinsing of any additives and floaters, pour out to a colander and let sit for the next step.
2. boil water in your pressure cooker. (halfways fine, it dont matter) GET IT REALLY BOILING
3. dump grain in PC. turn off heat TIGHTEN LID, let sit for 40-45minutes.
4. next dump into colander and rinse with COLD WATER (to stop the cooking process and to remove that sticky icky goo)
5. shake or give it a whack or two. then let sit for 30-40 minutes.
6. Load up jars 2/3up. wipe rim dry, close lid and pressure cook.
the WBS will still be wet, THIS IS FINE.
7. PC for 1 HOUR @15psi.
8. Shake after pc or not, its up to you, im impatient and possess an oven mitt. And cool for say 4-6 hours. or however long it takes. (remember not to rush this)..
9. Inject 3cc of some bomb ass LC. against the wall of the jar. dont shake. Let colonize 25% then shake. itll be done really really quick.
10. Spawn to bulk.
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Re: Boiling WBS for 10 minutes - yes or no? [Re: galadar]
#10092879 - 04/02/09 08:36 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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To reduce clumping, you can add gypsum to the mix as well.
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Re: Boiling WBS for 10 minutes - yes or no? [Re: IAmABanana]
#10093182 - 04/02/09 09:56 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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IAmABanana said: To reduce clumping, you can add gypsum to the mix as well.
Adds nutrients as well, FTW!
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Re: Boiling WBS for 10 minutes - yes or no? [Re: Duggstar]
#10093363 - 04/02/09 10:39 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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i do wheat....i dont soak. I just boil until i can squeeze a grain between my fingers and it will split open. Apparently they colonize really fast but they may be on the dry side so if you only do grain without any other substrate you might consider a way to keep your grains more hidrated
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