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BRF & Casing Noob Question
    #10084764 - 04/01/09 12:41 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

For my first grow Im was going to use the BRF tek from RR videos. Upon futher research(thx to this site) I realized that 50/50 is probably the way to go-doesnt seem to hard and better yields. I want to do that substrate recipe but with casing basically. Few questions:

1) Should I shut up and ONLY do cakes first?
2) With 50/50 can I still use BRF or do I have to use another substrate?
3) Will get pressure cooker to do it right. Don't want to purchase anything too fancy to humidify etc. Live in the south so it will be good humidity soon...

What do you think??


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Re: BRF & Casing Noob Question [Re: drainhaven]
    #10084800 - 04/01/09 12:51 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

i don't see why you couldn't do grains, wbs or rye / bulk spawn it to poo or coir. Im doing wbs(in pint jars also) to 100% coir. trays in shotgun FC. I really dont see the difficulty being all that different to justify strictly doing cakes. As long as your sterile and follow and understand directions you can do whatever fits your environment or budget best.

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Re: BRF & Casing Noob Question [Re: bloomersooner]
    #10084932 - 04/01/09 01:26 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

100% coir eh? So the only reason for BRF is you dont need a PC I guess. Coir seems much easier to do than having to worry about the perfect mix. Is there any disadvantage to going that way?

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Re: BRF & Casing Noob Question [Re: drainhaven]
    #10084980 - 04/01/09 01:38 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Here  <- oatman2000 spawning to 100%coir. some people put coffee grounds in it and other junk. I'm just going to keep it simple the first tray and do some comparisons later.

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Re: BRF & Casing Noob Question [Re: bloomersooner] * 1
    #10085149 - 04/01/09 02:42 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Thats a great tek. Badass results. The only part Im confused is the colonized to casing part. After it is colonized do you just put the 50/50 mix directly on top? Thats what it looks like.


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Re: BRF & Casing Noob Question [Re: drainhaven]
    #10085209 - 04/01/09 03:26 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

you can case. or not. I'm just going to colonize it, then just introduce it to fruiting conditions as is. no casing necessary

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Re: BRF & Casing Noob Question [Re: bloomersooner]
    #10085222 - 04/01/09 03:33 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

If you're gonna do RR's BRF tek, than stick to the tek.

Rather than breaking up those cakes and casing them.  Just dunk and roll the cakes, then fruit them in a shotgun terrarium.

Otherwise, skip the BRF Tek and go straight to bulk methods of grains>bulk substrates.

I'd suggest you learn to walk before you run though, lest your projects fail and you get discouraged and end up doing the BRF Tek anyways.


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Re: BRF & Casing Noob Question [Re: bloomersooner]
    #10085236 - 04/01/09 03:40 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I'm doing the same tek though I'm adding spent coffee grounds and gypsum. (thanks for the insight) I'm also not casing my first run through but was considering a 50/50+ casing but from what I've been reading it's not entirely needed with cubensis. I already have cakes at 90-100% colonized so I'm using that. Food processor and vroom. Good luck with your grow, you seem to have things under control just make sure you take your time and if you think of any questions search them before you get started. It can be fustrating feeling like your waiting on an answer to feel comfortable. 

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Re: BRF & Casing Noob Question [Re: AlienTechKilla]
    #10085245 - 04/01/09 03:44 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Uh, every time I've checked my coir comes out with a neutral 7 ph.
Coffee is acidic, and would actually lower your ph... by itself my used coffee grounds(starbucks) average around 5.

Feel free to add coffee to the coir, but I'd also suggest you add gypsum to your ratio, which will right your PH back to neutral.

Keep that PH between 6-7. 

Casing is optional with cubensis, and for any beginner... I'd strongly suggest you fruit uncased for the first attempt.


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Re: BRF & Casing Noob Question [Re: shroomzey]
    #10086308 - 04/01/09 10:29 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Im going to do Oatman tek-forget brf. Thanks for all the advice but I am still missing something a few key pieces to complete understanding.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6004845

1)I can do that to a tee and simply not case it? Easiest
2)MY REAL QUESTION- Is the 50/50 simply placed ON TOP of the colonization or is the 50/50 placed BELOW broken up colonization. That my confusion.
3) Why is casing a bit more advanced because of contams?


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Re: BRF & Casing Noob Question [Re: drainhaven]
    #10086403 - 04/01/09 10:50 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Yes. After you spawn to your substrate, you'll level it as best you can, cover with foil and poke a few small holes then cover the holes with micro tape. The substrate will colonize (about a week or so, maybe more) and then you'll case with the 50/50+ or whatever casing method you wanna use. I won't be casing because as the previous poster stated, cubensis don't really benefit much from a casing layer and you'll be adding more work but yes it does sit on top of the colonized substrate. Have fun.

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Re: BRF & Casing Noob Question [Re: drainhaven]
    #10086430 - 04/01/09 10:55 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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3) Why is casing a bit more advanced because of contams?




Beside adding more work? When casing, you have to:
1)mix the casing right
2)Adding a new step to introduce contams
3)play with getting the PH right so that the casing layer will allow mushroom growth.

Casings are a barrier from contams as well as a source of moisture but proper pasteurizing procedures have to be followed so that contams don't take control.

I'm sure there is a thousand or so more reasons why it's harder but I've never cased anything before just read up on it. I wouldn't suggest it on your first go either. Hope that helps and Have fun

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Re: BRF & Casing Noob Question [Re: AlienTechKilla]
    #10086507 - 04/01/09 11:08 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

It is clear!! Im going take the advice and skip casing B+.

At what points do I need to mist? When I begin fruiting?


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Re: BRF & Casing Noob Question [Re: drainhaven]
    #10089169 - 04/01/09 06:31 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Yes. After full colonization and remember you don't want the substrate to dry out but you don't want it water logged. Get a RH gauge and try to keep the RH at or around 92% RH. RH = Relative Humidity.

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