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Offlinebrndnrchrdsn
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Failure...
    #10082922 - 03/31/09 07:34 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

On 3-25 I knocked up 8 1/2 pt jars of rye seed with B+.  I wasn't noticing any myc growth, but I left them alone, hoping something would come of it.  I noticed the rye was getting kinda slimy, so I cracked one of them, and it smelled sour :frown:  I checked the others, and they had the same smell.  I was so disappointed, but I threw it all away and washed the jars.

  I did a lot wrong with this first attempt.  Things I didn't realize were wrong until reading more into this forum.  First: I used aluminum foil, and loose lids for AE.  Second: I injected the spores only an hour after they came out of the PC. (I know, I was just excited)  Third: I incubated at 86-87 f.  Fourth: I shook the jars after 3 days even though there was no sign of mycelium.  I also did not let the grain sit in water for 12 hours to "germinate" the endospores or whatever. (I'm still not sure if this is a necessary step).

  I have one more syringe left. (B+ 219 from hawkeye)  I ordered some tyvek envelopes from USPS, so I have about a week to study the forums some more.  I really don't want this attempt to fail.  Can anyone give me a few good links for info on growing on rye?  Whats the best book, or DVD I can get to help me out? (I want to get "lets grow mushrooms", but don't have the money)

  I know noobs ask this all the time, and I hate to bug you pros.  I know I'm probably going to get a bunch of "use the search" replies, but I have, and still feel like I'm a little lost on exactly what to do.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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Re: Failure... [Re: brndnrchrdsn]
    #10082982 - 03/31/09 07:41 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

It doesn't matter what you did after you inoculated if you did so an hour after pc'ing. You killed your spores then. 

More importantly though, never smell failed projects.  If you think something could be bad then throw it out.  It's never worth risking your health...just waiting will let you know if it's bad.

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Re: Failure... [Re: Angus]
    #10083068 - 03/31/09 07:55 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

The good news is you found your mistakes. Just for some info, I ordered tyvek too, but haven't found a use for it yet. I PC my jars, let them cool overnight, inoculate in the morning, and cover with micropore tape.

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Re: Failure... [Re: shaggyeg6si]
    #10083096 - 03/31/09 07:59 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Docs Wild Bird Seed tek, great for beginers

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Re: Failure... [Re: shaggyeg6si]
    #10083098 - 03/31/09 07:59 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

In my opinion the "Cake makers rejoice you no longer need to torture yourself" link in my Sig is the easiest rye tek for someone who never did rye before,I would ditch the incubator though and as said right above me you already have a good idea of some of what you did wrong,read up,live and learn and try again.Good luck next time :thumbup:

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Re: Failure... [Re: Blutjager]
    #10083116 - 03/31/09 08:02 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

If you cant do the rest of the tek the rye prep part will at least get you on the right track and you can do what you wish with it from there,greenhouse,mono/double tub whatever is easiest for you at least you will have good grains to spawn to whatever you are spawning to

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Re: Failure... [Re: Angus]
    #10083167 - 03/31/09 08:10 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Angus said:
It doesn't matter what you did after you inoculated if you did so an hour after pc'ing. You killed your spores then. 

More importantly though, never smell failed projects.  If you think something could be bad then throw it out.  It's never worth risking your health...just waiting will let you know if it's bad.




Absolutely Angus, great advice!

Rye, imho, is "teh suck" for beginners. Just my experience and I don't recommend WBS either for noobs. Popcorn and BRF are noob green flags. You almost can't go wrong. Hell, mix some BRF with some popcorn and make a unique thread here on the Shroomery. I'll be the first to give you a thumbs up. :smile:


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Re: Failure... [Re: Frequency]
    #10083254 - 03/31/09 08:24 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I skipped over BRF and went straight to grains, and while it is a bit more expensive in the short run, I have gained a lot of experience. The only problem I am having is my casings won't pin but that's neither here nor there. To the OP, make sure your jars are fully cooled. I presoak my grains for 24 hours, then wash till the water comes clean. Then strain for 10 minutes and place in your jars. Don't put micropore tape on them yet, put your lids with holes on your jars, and then cover with aluminum foil. And off to the pc they go, 15 PSI for 60 minutes. After about an hour, pull the jars out and shake the grain loose, then put back in the PC. Let cool overnight, and in the morning, do your little inoculation ritual and dance. Then cover the holes with micropore tape, and incubate. Been workin for me for quite a couple months.

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Re: Failure... [Re: shaggyeg6si]
    #10083296 - 03/31/09 08:31 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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shaggyeg6si said:
I skipped over BRF and went straight to grains




WOW :whoah: someone who thinks for them self even when they 1st start..automatic 5 mushroom rating from me

:dancingshroom::dancingshroom::dancingshroom::dancingshroom::dancingshroom::dancingshroom::dancingshroom::dancingshroom:


OK more than 5 :rockon:

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Re: Failure... [Re: Blutjager]
    #10083318 - 03/31/09 08:35 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Blutjager said:
Quote:

shaggyeg6si said:
I skipped over BRF and went straight to grains




WOW :whoah: someone who thinks for them self even when they 1st start..automatic 5 mushroom rating from me

:dancingshroom::dancingshroom::dancingshroom::dancingshroom::dancingshroom::dancingshroom::dancingshroom::dancingshroom:


OK more than 5 :rockon:




Haha, well thank you. And of course, thank you to the shroomery for having all this wonderful information. Good luck with your next try man, let us know how it goes! :thumbup:

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Re: Failure... [Re: shaggyeg6si]
    #10083417 - 03/31/09 08:48 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Ive got some oysters going right now.1st try with edibles but I cant grow actives so I'm giving it a go so I don't get TOO rusty and keep learning new things.I find it better to expect failure and be Happy with success than to expect success and be disappointed by failure in this hobby.It is my 1st try so at this stage its all an experiment but thanks for the good wishes,got some beech and poplar after that but 1st lets see how I do with the ousters since they seem the easiest edible to go with 1st.They looked like they were trying to push the lids off the jars by he time I spawned them.There was actually mycelium above the line where there was no more grain as if they just climbed the glass till there was no room

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Re: Failure... [Re: Blutjager]
    #10083462 - 03/31/09 08:55 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

That's cool, I would love to see that. Oh yeah, brndnrchrdsn, if you get bored or anxious, make more grain. Then when your first ones case, you have more to babysit. Helps keep me out of trouble, haha.

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Re: Failure... [Re: shaggyeg6si]
    #10083530 - 03/31/09 09:03 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Yea,Ive been "Retired" for a while but its good to be playing around again even if it is only with edibles.I probably wont even eat them I just want to grow SOMETHING,I hate not having anything at all going.I wish I could get some cubes going again

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Re: Failure... [Re: Blutjager]
    #10083554 - 03/31/09 09:07 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

And ultimately, that's why it's a hobby. Haha, I don't even like edibles, but it's fun to grow.

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Re: Failure... [Re: shaggyeg6si]
    #10083603 - 03/31/09 09:13 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the support guys, this is a great forum, and community!  I'm going to stick with the rye since I had to drive 15 miles one way to some hick ass town to get "rye seed" and not "rye grass seed". 

  Do you guys think I should just knock up 2 jars?  If they fail, I have another chance, if they do good I can do G2G to get more spawn.  I was also thinking of doing a LC with honey and water.  Is this hard?  It seems pretty fail-safe from what I have read on here.  I spent a ton of money on supplies already, and I don't have much more to put into this project, so this last syringe is basically my last hope.  Though if I get better at this, I would love to try some PE.  (no matter how much I spend on this project, in the long run it beats the hell out of paying $60-$80 an eighth!)

  I guess my main problem is all the conflicting info on the internet, and even on this forum.  I've learned to follow RoggerRabbits' advice to a T though.  hmmm, guess I'm starting to ramble.... 

*puts down the joint, and turns on "Family Guy"

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Re: Failure... [Re: shaggyeg6si]
    #10083676 - 03/31/09 09:23 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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shaggyeg6si said:
And ultimately, that's why it's a hobby. Haha, I don't even like edibles, but it's fun to grow.




Ive never even tasted an oyster I don't think and for all I know I'm gonna flush em all down the toilet:lol:,its just like you said..a hobby,I just like watching something come out of nothing except my work,I remember when I had more cubes than anyone should ever have but only like 2 ppl in the world who knew why cause I'm a paranoid fucker :paranoid: and I was just like "Here" I gave away a million times more than I ever ate cause I didn't even trip that often anyway and I didn't want them in my possession but couldn't bring myself to throw them out and didn't feel like grinding them up into capsules for long time storage

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Re: Failure... [Re: Blutjager]
    #10083764 - 03/31/09 09:35 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Look into a place called the Co-op, I found one in my area, it's a grocer for local growers, I was paying 2 dollars a lb for wheat berries, but at the coop was 1 a lb. The drive is a good 45 minutes away, but then again, there's another thing for passing the time, finding new places for your supplies.

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Re: Failure... [Re: shaggyeg6si]
    #10083949 - 03/31/09 09:58 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

There are 2 co-ops where I live, and neither had rye, or wheat berries.  Every place I checked in town only had grass seed.  Oh well, no big deal though, at least I have access to some now.  I just wonder if pesticides were used on them....  hope not.

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Re: Failure... [Re: brndnrchrdsn]
    #10083961 - 03/31/09 10:03 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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brndnrchrdsn said:
Thanks for the support guys, this is a great forum, and community!  I'm going to stick with the rye since I had to drive 15 miles one way to some hick ass town to get "rye seed" and not "rye grass seed". 

  Do you guys think I should just knock up 2 jars?  If they fail, I have another chance, if they do good I can do G2G to get more spawn.  I was also thinking of doing a LC with honey and water.  Is this hard?  It seems pretty fail-safe from what I have read on here.  I spent a ton of money on supplies already, and I don't have much more to put into this project, so this last syringe is basically my last hope.  Though if I get better at this, I would love to try some PE.  (no matter how much I spend on this project, in the long run it beats the hell out of paying $60-$80 an eighth!)

  I guess my main problem is all the conflicting info on the internet, and even on this forum.  I've learned to follow RoggerRabbits' advice to a T though.  hmmm, guess I'm starting to ramble.... 

*puts down the joint, and turns on "Family Guy"




60 to 80?  I feel bad for you, I really do.  I've never seen anyone selling for more than 35, and like 150 to 200 a zip.  Must be really hard up in your area.  But that's one of the wonderful things about our fungal friends, sometimes they pay for themselves =)

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Re: Failure... [Re: intlslacker]
    #10084381 - 03/31/09 11:08 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Regardless of price,you are not finding them here unless you are growing them yourself.Even people I know in high school cant get them and when I was in high school I could get anything,and I do mean ANYTHING.Although that was before I lost my hookups and when I used to drive from one place to another and didn't mind someone sticking a shotgun in my face when they answered the door(This was not usually for psychedelics,for them we had to scare hippies:lol: the guns usually came into play only for things like PCP or other stuff where you had to deal with strangers and LARGE amounts of money)Anyway psychedelics seem to have gone out of style,from what I can tell for the most part the only thing people want around me are bud(I don't like bud) and coke and crack and I wont even be in the same room as people doing coke or crack.For the most part "Club drugs" have replaced psychedelics as far as I can tell among the younger crowd,its a shame if you ask me:slitwrist:,I enjoyed my high school LSD days

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