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I'm about to try a monotub, please double-check my strategy.
    #10069138 - 03/29/09 07:13 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, I recently started the PF Tek with 8 pint jars, lost 2. 3 of them are currently fruiting, but no actual results yet. However 2 of my remaining jars are shaped awkwardly and I won't be able to pull the cake out whole, so I've decided to try to break them down and spawn them in a monotub.

First, I'm going to take each pint jar and throw it in a gallon ziploc with 2 more pint jars of uncolonized pf mix, as per Eatyualive's lazy mofo bag tek( http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1300760#1300760 ). I've already started the first and it's looking great, the mycelia has already spread a decent amount and no contams in sight.

Second, I'll prepare some coir, following large_dose's tutorial(.http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=30&Number=9289857 ).

Third, I will make my monotub. I have loosely been following large_dose's tub plans( http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8231041#8231041 ) and Eatyualive's plans( http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7780127/an/0/page/0 ), but there are some differences. I don't have a see-through tub, so I don't think I need to bother with the trash bag in the bottom. I plan on having 2 1/2 inch holes about an inch above casing layer level, and 2 more near the top of the tub, on each side. Stuffed with polyfill. Questions here, is 1/2 inch big enough? And would 8 holes give me proper airflow, or should I replace the 2 on the top of each long side, with one hole on the top of the short side? Anyway, I can use the original lid to stop light from getting in.



Anyway, now for the actual preparation, the part I am most unsure of. I plan to have equal amounts of colonized substrate, and pasteurized coir mix. I think the idea is to break up all the colonized substrate(or possibly grind) and spread it across the bottom. Then I'll pour in half of the coir mix, and mix it all together. Then I'll put the rest of the coir on top of the colonized substrate/coir mix.

I'll seal the top with Press 'N Seal and put the original lid back on. I'll lift the lid every few days to see if the substrate mix is colonized, and once it's ready, I'll remove the lid and lift the Press 'N Seal on one corner to help vent. I have a 150 watt bulb and a desk lamp I can keep on it(once it's colonized it needs both light and heat, right) that should keep it around 80F degrees. Eventually it will fruit, I will harvest it, flood the tub with water overnight, drain, and try for a second flush.



Anyway, this is how I expect it to work, but I still don't really understand casing/spawning. Criticism is HIGHLY encouraged. If you think I can do better, then please tell me how. For example, if you think it's necessary to have a see-through tub, I would like to know. I didn't use one because I have a lamp I can place over the tub once it comes time to fruit. But I could very well be wrong, I've never done this before. Thanks in advance.

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Re: I'm about to try a monotub, please double-check my strategy. [Re: TheAnimate]
    #10073455 - 03/30/09 11:52 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Bump. On a side note, I went all around town today, to the local nursery, Co-op, and a wholesale store with a lot of oddities, and never found any coir. Well... I found some floor mats made of coir, but I don't know if I'll be able to use those. Are nurseries supposed to carry bricks of coir?

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Re: I'm about to try a monotub, please double-check my strategy. [Re: TheAnimate]
    #10073491 - 03/30/09 12:00 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

coir is a reptile bedding. You get it from petsmart, petco, or the like. I use Bed-A-Beast.


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Re: I'm about to try a monotub, please double-check my strategy. [Re: TheAnimate]
    #10073500 - 03/30/09 12:02 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Normally pet stores have coir. Nurseries will have bags of it already expanded (from what I've seen).

So, you take your 2 pints, spawn them to 4 additional pints of BRF/Verm. (3 quarts total) Then make and prep a monotub and you want to spawn 1:1?... 1:1 will give you a fast colonization speed, but you  could go bigger. What size monotub are you planning on making? LD usually uses 6qt of spawn and 1:2 ratio for his.

As far as the actual spawn process, I would follow LD's instructions, mix evenly throughout the majority of the substrate, and then mix the last quart with the top 1" of substrate.

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Re: I'm about to try a monotub, please double-check my strategy. [Re: Shroominit]
    #10073520 - 03/30/09 12:09 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

UH OH!  You didn't wait a full 24 hours before bumping your own thread!

Now "dead" is gonna come in here and start quoting forum rules to you!

Haha, j/k.  I couldn't care less.  24 hours on the shroomery and a thread is buried.

As for your monotub, I think you'll be good.  I've never used holes stuffed with polyfil.  I just fan manually, and never once had a problem.

For spawning, I like to layer.  So I put half my coir down first, second layer would be the spawn, and then another layer of coir.

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Re: I'm about to try a monotub, please double-check my strategy. [Re: teamfdn]
    #10073543 - 03/30/09 12:13 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I overlooked the 24 hour thing, sometimes when you post and go to sleep and wake up with no responses, it seems like it's been "a day". It's really annoying when it's less than 3 hours later.

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Re: I'm about to try a monotub, please double-check my strategy. [Re: Shroominit]
    #10073563 - 03/30/09 12:16 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

rofl...no worries dude.

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Re: I'm about to try a monotub, please double-check my strategy. [Re: teamfdn]
    #10073870 - 03/30/09 01:17 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

A much easier method is to get a clear acrylic panel from the hardware store for $1-3, cutting a whole out in the lid and taping the panel down over it.  Takes about 5 minutes to do and costs $1-3.  Then you won't have to worry about it screwing up and coming off and you can peek at your tub whenever you want without opening it.





That's how I build mine, although I'm still experimenting with different amounts/positions of the vents to get the best results.

It's easy to build the same thing on a smaller scale:



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Re: I'm about to try a monotub, please double-check my strategy. [Re: Spongiform]
    #10083792 - 03/31/09 09:39 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I considered adding a viewing hole, with plexiglass or something cheaper, but a couple things bother me about it. For one, it lets light in, and you don't want to do that until it pins, correct? Also, do you get proper airflow that way? I noticed in Eatyualive's tub topic( http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7780127/an/0/page/0 ), he says to lift the corner of the plastic to vent, to lower humidity, I guess. He says it works for him, and I've seen pictures of his results. But then other people don't seem to have to do it, so I dunno. To be honest I'm not sure when mushrooms need light and when they don't. I try to keep light on the cakes I'm fruiting now about 12 hours a day.

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Re: I'm about to try a monotub, please double-check my strategy. [Re: TheAnimate]
    #10084195 - 03/31/09 10:35 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

For light, 12 on 12 off is fine for the whole process(from spores to fruits). Viewing purposes, either use a clear tub (faint visibility) or like you said plexiglass (or cheaper... polycarbonate... polystyrene even?) if you need more FAE, drill bigger holes, or remove some of the polyfil that you're using.

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Re: I'm about to try a monotub, please double-check my strategy. [Re: Shroominit]
    #10085583 - 04/01/09 06:40 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Light is a pinning trigger after full colonization and combined with fresh air exchange.

My tubs never pin before full colonization and my jars have never fruited invitro without me opening them to peek, which I only do after they are fully colonized.


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