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Joe Biden's (Author of Rave Act, ONDCP, and Drug Czar legislation) daughter filmed snorting cocaine
    #10071732 - 03/30/09 01:24 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Joe's Resume, skip if you're familiar with the man to My Question listed below and the story.

Biden's Curriculum Vitae:

 
  • Authored the Rave Act that allows property owners to be prosecuted and have their property seized for law enforcement to play around with if drug use occurs on premises that could have been forseen, like at a concert, among other things.  Joe said glow sticks were drug paraphernalia in the introduction of the law.  Has been used to shut down concerts, marijuana advocacy group meetings, medical marijuana dispensaries, and to seize property from the landlords and threaten the same for groups the DEA or police don't like (marijuana advocacy groups for example).

  • Came up with the Drug Czar office and successfully passed the legislation and funding. 

  • Responsible for the mandatory minimum drug sentences for victimless crimes in the Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984. 

  • Pushed for harsh penalties on crack, giving rise the the 500:1 disparity between the cocaine salts and cocaine base.

  • Pushed for the Office of National Drug Control Policy creation and funding (thank them for much of the bullshit misleading marijuana ads you see and other unscientific propaganda hurled at teens ).

  • Led the charge on criminalizing steroid use, favoring even higher prison terms for mere possession by adults.

  • Would ban smoking nationwide in public places by federal, rather than state or local, law.

  • Wants to keep it a crime for twenty year olds to drink alcohol, opposes lowering the age from 21.

  • Supported the "Drug Free School Zone" laws that treat you like you were selling to six year olds if you have drugs within 1,000 feet of a school, even if in your own home behind closed doors or at a concert with other adults.

    And finally.....

  • Saved us all from submarine drug smugglers by closing the "submarine exception" that long plagued us.









My question:


How much you want to bet if this is true that it will be a "private family matter" rather than leading to the seizure of the place she was snorting coke and prosecution of her and the owners of the building as the rave act calls for?


How much you want to bet this will be a "private family matter" that Biden asks for "our understanding" and privacy on rather than a relentless criminal prosecution leading to mandatory minimum incarceration terms?


I'm constantly struck by the discord between people who support and even promote (as Biden does, one of the largest drug war crusaders) the war on drugs and the public criminal prosecution of victimless criminals and the way in which they deal with personal matters affecting their friends and relatives.



Is he going to support the relentless prosecution and jailing of his daughter, in the public courts, for a private act that harmed nobody?  Or is he going to be a hypocrite and say when its his daughter its not a criminal matter, and requires love and private reflection rather than public indictment, incarceration and asset forfeiture as his laws provide for?

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A video purporting to show Ashley Biden -- daughter of Vice President Joe Biden -- snorting cocaine reportedly is being offered for sale.

The New York Post reported that it was shown a 90-second clip of a 42-minute video by a lawyer claiming to represent an anonymous "friend" of the vice president's daughter. The lawyer, Thomas Dunlap, and another man say the video shows Biden's daughter using the drug at a house party this month in Delaware.

Dunlap reportedly told the Post that the video was legally obtained, and that Ashley Biden was aware that she was being filmed. The Post reported that it refused to pay for the video, though Dunlap told the newspaper that one news organization had offered $250,000 for the rights to the tape.

On Sunday, Radaronline.com reported that Dunlap, an attorney for the Washington, D.C. firm Dunlap, Grubb and Weaver, dropped the seller of the tape as a client after learning the scene was recorded on a hidden camera.

The Web site said Dunlap said he did not want to be involved in the sale because of the publicity around the story.

The Post reported that the video shows a 20-something woman with light skin and long brown hair taking a red straw from her mouth and bending over a desk, inserting the straw into her nostril and snorting from lines of white powder.

The woman appears to resemble the 27-year-old Biden, a social worker who was a visible presence during her father's campaign for the White House.

Dunlap refused to name the person who shot the video, but told the Post that he knew Ashley Biden well and had attended other parties with her at which there were illegal drugs. The lawyers said the person who shot the video used a camera with a hard-drive that he later destroyed, drilling into the device and tossing it into a lake.





http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/28/video-offered-sale-purports-bidens-daughter-snorting-cocaine/
Will Biden accept public investigation and prosecution of his daughter and those involved, or will he claim it is a "private family matter"- seemingly contrary to his long history of drug war crusading?
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Biden will accept the public investigation and prosecution.
Biden will hypocritically claim it is a "private family matter" and ask for our understanding.
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Other / I don't think its hypocritical for Biden to claim its a private family matter so this poll is bullshit


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Re: Author of the Rave Act, Drug Czar Legislation, et cet (Biden)'s Daughter caught snorting coke. [Re: johnm214]
    #10071998 - 03/30/09 03:04 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

You're forgetting the obvious: he'll deny the video show his daughter snorting coke. Then he'll say it's a personal family matter.


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Re: Author of the Rave Act, Drug Czar Legislation, et cet (Biden)'s Daughter caught snorting coke. [Re: zouden]
    #10072197 - 03/30/09 04:49 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe she just wants to run for president some day.  Being a hypocrite seems to be a prerequisite these days.


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Re: Author of the Rave Act, Drug Czar Legislation, et cet (Biden)'s Daughter caught snorting coke. [Re: Seuss]
    #10072268 - 03/30/09 05:18 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

These days? Brush on your history.


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Re: Joe Biden's, author of the Rave Act and Drug Czar legislation, daughter filmed snorting coke. [Re: johnm214]
    #10072773 - 03/30/09 09:06 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

It might not even be his daughter. I have seen no evidence yet that it is his daughter, merely allegations that the girl on video is her. Is it or isn't it? Who knows?



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Re: Joe Biden's, authored Rave Act, ONDCP, and Drug Czar legislation, daughter filmed snorting cocaine [Re: johnm214]
    #10072801 - 03/30/09 09:14 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Is her last name Palin?

No?

then there is nothing to see here.......


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Re: Joe Biden's, authored Rave Act, ONDCP, and Drug Czar legislation, daughter filmed snorting cocaine [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10072806 - 03/30/09 09:16 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Don't be ridiculous.


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Re: Joe Biden's, authored Rave Act, ONDCP, and Drug Czar legislation, daughter filmed snorting cocaine [Re: Redstorm]
    #10072810 - 03/30/09 09:17 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Also, let's not forget this isn't the first time she's been in legal trouble. She also like to get drunk and mess with police officers, too.


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Re: Joe Biden's, author of the Rave Act and Drug Czar legislation, daughter filmed snorting coke. [Re: Phred]
    #10072855 - 03/30/09 09:28 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

There is no evidence other than the parroted allegations echoing around the newspapers that Dunlap says its her (he claims to know her in the above story) and testimonials, which is why I prefaced my remarks by asking how much you want to bet if it turns out to be true....


What i want to know is WTF was the deal with the lawyer drilling a hole through the tape and then desecrating a wetland with the likely toxic contents?


Can someone explain how a lawyer you retain to represent you gets away with destroying your property like that?  Even if he decided the tape was illegaly obtained, how can he destroy the evidence of at least one and possibly more crimes?  I'm guessing it was meerly a copy from teh way the stories are written, but still... weird


The whole thing sounds weird.  The lawyer who was shopping the tape knew biden's daughter well and still represented the owner of the tape?


I'm willing to bet the allegations are true given the lawyer's testimonials, but the news will parrot a lie for days after its demonstrably false, so I'm certainly not sure of anything (except that biden will be a hypocrite and ask for privacy rather than accepting the fate of his daughter and the property owners under the laws he authored).


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Re: Joe Biden's, authored Rave Act, ONDCP, and Drug Czar legislation, daughter filmed snorting cocaine [Re: Redstorm]
    #10073196 - 03/30/09 10:48 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Redstorm said:
Don't be ridiculous.





:rolleyes:





i know you dont believe in media bias but just do a google news search on the daughter of Sarah Palin......(Bristol)

TODAYS NEWS!

Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston split

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-palin_family-tabmar13,0,1061701.story



Palin's Ex Has No Regrets, May Reconcile With Bristol
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=7089090&page=1




Sarah Palin Blows Another Teachable Moment: Margaret Carlson

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aUoRTqRtwOPE&refer=home


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Re: Joe Biden's, author of the Rave Act and Drug Czar legislation, daughter filmed snorting coke. [Re: johnm214]
    #10073203 - 03/30/09 10:50 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

i am sure there is still a copy of the video around. the lawyer is probably trying to save his ass by saying he destroyed it. holding a tape of the vice presiden't daughter snorting coke is kind of dangerous.


i doubt there will be any kind of serious prosecution either john. if concrete evidence does surface, he will claim it is a family matter, and until then he will just deny it.


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Re: Joe Biden's, author of the Rave Act and Drug Czar legislation, daughter filmed snorting coke. [Re: JT]
    #10073942 - 03/30/09 01:29 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I would love to see her rot in prison for laws her father supports.

Someone needs to go on record and say she needs to be made an example out of and prosecuted to the FULLEST extent of the law.


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Re: Joe Biden's, author of the Rave Act and Drug Czar legislation, daughter filmed snorting coke. [Re: Green_T]
    #10074248 - 03/30/09 02:30 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I'm torn here.

On one hand, I don't like seeing anyone go to jail for non-violent drug crimes.

On the other hand, the law should be equally applied to all people, no matter who they are.


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Re: Joe Biden's, author of the Rave Act and Drug Czar legislation, daughter filmed snorting coke. [Re: Redstorm]
    #10074293 - 03/30/09 02:41 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, injustice is injustice.


I've always felt prosecutorial discretion is largely bullshit, the laws should be enforced as written or not at all. 


I do think she should be prosecuted, however; if that would be the normal course for this evidence.  While I don't like to see high profile people treated worse, I do wonder how this can be ignored by the local or federal authorities in good conscious given how clear the evidence is.  And biden's own law would allow the house to be seized and the owners prosecuted if they were aware of any illegal drug usage.  Or do we only use those strong measures on people we don't like?  Only if you really piss off the folks in charge do they use the full range of laws available?  Their was drug dealing in that video under the definitions used by the state and federal laws- how could that be ignored?  And there was also surely crack, with its illogicaly higher penalties, involved under the ridiculous definition of that (which defies chemistry).

Of course this is bullshit and of no harm to anyone, but how is that any different then any other drug crime?  It isn't.


Mostly I want to see the public recognize the inherent contradiction between biden's relentless criminalization of victimless crimes and the continual upping of the (mandatory) penalties and his inevitable statements (through spokesmen) that this is a private family matter rather than the serious felony him and his ilk have turned it into.


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Re: Joe Biden's, author of the Rave Act and Drug Czar legislation, daughter filmed snorting coke. [Re: johnm214]
    #10074399 - 03/30/09 02:57 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with you 100% as usual.


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Re: Joe Biden's, author of the Rave Act and Drug Czar legislation, daughter filmed snorting coke. [Re: Green_T]
    #10074850 - 03/30/09 04:18 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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I would love to see her rot in prison for laws her father supports.

Someone needs to go on record and say she needs to be made an example out of and prosecuted to the FULLEST extent of the law.





I think Tim Leary got eight years for a small amount of pot. I don't think it was even his. He took responsibility for his daughter who got busted. I think the amount was one joint.


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Re: Joe Biden's, author of the Rave Act and Drug Czar legislation, daughter filmed snorting coke. [Re: Icelander]
    #10077625 - 03/30/09 11:07 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

It's elite privilage and of course they won't go after her if it does turn out to be her.  I like your post, it's well organized and provides many good points but I think many on this forum are aware of much of this allready. 
What I did learn that I wasn't aware of was that Biden was behind the drug free school zones law that I fell under awhile back, which just adds to the disdain I feel for the man.


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Re: Joe Biden's (Author of Rave Act, ONDCP, and Drug Czar legislation) daughter filmed snorting cocaine [Re: johnm214]
    #10079631 - 03/31/09 11:00 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I feel bad for his daughter, because she didn't do anything wrong, but I'm also glad that this happened.  Because this asshole Biden is responsible for ruining the lives of THOUSANDS of people.  Of course his daughter will skate because why should she be subject to Biden's draconian drug laws like everyone else? 










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Re: Joe Biden's (Author of Rave Act, ONDCP, and Drug Czar legislation) daughter filmed snorting cocaine [Re: Learyfan]
    #10080288 - 03/31/09 01:15 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Just another dipshit politician.:shrug:


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Re: Joe Biden's (Author of Rave Act, ONDCP, and Drug Czar legislation) daughter filmed snorting cocaine [Re: Icelander]
    #10080461 - 03/31/09 01:44 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I don't give two shits about this dumb bint's coke habit.


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