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Offlinehowtodisappear
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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #10081743 - 03/31/09 05:00 PM (15 years, 1 day ago)

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Tea said:
Is human nature at its core good? Or Evil?




My opinion: Neutral. Human nature is not a "black and white" issue.

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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: howtodisappear]
    #10082051 - 03/31/09 05:39 PM (15 years, 1 day ago)

I think that people are evil, weak, and corrupt by nature.  It takes an effort to be anything different, and no one is infallible.


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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #10082544 - 03/31/09 06:39 PM (15 years, 23 hours ago)

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Mr. Mushrooms said:
If some national tragedy occurs,e.g. nuclear attack, you'll see the monster out in full force.




Or if a female bests you in a debate. :yesnod:


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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #10084063 - 03/31/09 10:20 PM (15 years, 19 hours ago)

Quote:

Tea said:
Is human nature at its core good? Or Evil?



neither.


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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: elbisivni]
    #10084477 - 03/31/09 11:27 PM (15 years, 18 hours ago)

more to the point - why would it be either? Any suggestions?


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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #10086196 - 04/01/09 10:03 AM (15 years, 8 hours ago)

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Noteworthy said:
more to the point - why would it be either? Any suggestions?




If there is not some source of light shining from deep within my soul then I'm not sure what it is that I am following!

If there is no source of light from within us, how would we ever know the difference between right and wrong? Do we wait for the sun to come up or perhaps turn the light on before we should decide what to do with our lives?

Only those of us who are mentally ill are incapable of feeling guilty when we do something wrong or make a mistake and this is because the light shines from within us unless the mind has gone to great lengths to cover up the truth and hide it from ourselves.

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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: zen buddy]
    #10086692 - 04/01/09 11:41 AM (15 years, 6 hours ago)

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zen buddy said:
If there is not some source of light shining from deep within my soul then I'm not sure what it is that I am following!

If there is no source of light from within us, how would we ever know the difference between right and wrong? Do we wait for the sun to come up or perhaps turn the light on before we should decide what to do with our lives?

Only those of us who are mentally ill are incapable of feeling guilty when we do something wrong or make a mistake and this is because the light shines from within us unless the mind has gone to great lengths to cover up the truth and hide it from ourselves.




But I suspect that this source of light differs for each individual; sure, we may each recognize what is right and what is wrong but we do so according to our own subjective standards.  Claiming that every person is fundamentally good is misleading in that it seems to accord existence to an objective good when I don't believe there is one.


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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: deCypher]
    #10087025 - 04/01/09 12:47 PM (15 years, 5 hours ago)

While I would agree that right and wrong is not objective I don't believe it is subjective either.

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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: zen buddy]
    #10087029 - 04/01/09 12:49 PM (15 years, 5 hours ago)

What's the third option?


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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: deCypher]
    #10087682 - 04/01/09 03:04 PM (15 years, 3 hours ago)

Non-existent?


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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: deCypher]
    #10087693 - 04/01/09 03:05 PM (15 years, 2 hours ago)

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deCypher said:
What's the third option?



Inter-subjective


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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: Silversoul]
    #10087716 - 04/01/09 03:08 PM (15 years, 2 hours ago)

What does that mean?


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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #10087731 - 04/01/09 03:11 PM (15 years, 2 hours ago)

Look guys, Frank Zappa nailed it when he said "we is dumb all over and a little ugly on the side"

End of discussion.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #10087747 - 04/01/09 03:13 PM (15 years, 2 hours ago)

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Mr. Mushrooms said:
What does that mean?



It means a shared subjectivity between people.  It does not exist independently in any one person's mind, but rather is a shared experience which is internalized by individuals within a group.


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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: Icelander]
    #10087758 - 04/01/09 03:15 PM (15 years, 2 hours ago)

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Icelander said:
Look guys, Frank Zappa nailed it when he said "we is dumb all over and a little ugly on the side"

End of discussion.




Now you know that post calls for a reply.  :grin:


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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: Icelander]
    #10087765 - 04/01/09 03:16 PM (15 years, 2 hours ago)

Thread killer! :shakefist:


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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: Silversoul]
    #10087784 - 04/01/09 03:18 PM (15 years, 2 hours ago)

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Silversoul said:
Quote:

Mr. Mushrooms said:
What does that mean?



It means a shared subjectivity between people.  It does not exist independently in any one person's mind, but rather is a shared experience which is internalized by individuals within a group.




This is what I call the "bane of the board."  No, what you have described is objectivity.  This type of imprecision with words is a source of much misunderstanding.  An object can be an object of thought as well.


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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #10088057 - 04/01/09 04:01 PM (15 years, 2 hours ago)

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Mr. Mushrooms said:
Quote:

Silversoul said:
Quote:

Mr. Mushrooms said:
What does that mean?



It means a shared subjectivity between people.  It does not exist independently in any one person's mind, but rather is a shared experience which is internalized by individuals within a group.




This is what I call the "bane of the board."  No, what you have described is objectivity.  This type of imprecision with words is a source of much misunderstanding.  An object can be an object of thought as well.



By that definition, you have rendered the term "subjective" to be utterly meaningless.


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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: Silversoul]
    #10088074 - 04/01/09 04:04 PM (15 years, 2 hours ago)

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Silversoul said:
Quote:

Mr. Mushrooms said:
Quote:

Silversoul said:
Quote:

Mr. Mushrooms said:
What does that mean?



It means a shared subjectivity between people.  It does not exist independently in any one person's mind, but rather is a shared experience which is internalized by individuals within a group.




This is what I call the "bane of the board."  No, what you have described is objectivity.  This type of imprecision with words is a source of much misunderstanding.  An object can be an object of thought as well.



By that definition, you have rendered the term "subjective" to be utterly meaningless.




A toothache, while I am feeling it, is purely subjective.  When I discuss my toothache with you, it becomes an object of thought and discussion thereby rendering it objective.

I really should make a one time thread on this so I can refer to it.


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Re: So guys......are we good or evil? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10089667 - 04/01/09 07:40 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Good and evil are but figments of our imagination.

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