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pftek
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Re: soaking rye or wbs vs not [Re: Shroominit]
#10078238 - 03/31/09 02:03 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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A lot of people are saying the soak is to germinate the endospores.
I thought the reason to soak was to get water content AND to protect against exploding kernels...
Edited by pftek (03/31/09 03:53 AM)
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nw_shroomy
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Re: soaking rye or wbs vs not [Re: pftek]
#10078385 - 03/31/09 03:12 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I thought the soak was to give you time to cut the tyvek and drill your lids?hmm
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Re: soaking rye or wbs vs not [Re: nw_shroomy]
#10079428 - 03/31/09 10:18 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've found that what works for others does not always work for you.
I've tried a few different Rye tek's... and nothing would work. Spores wouldn't germinate, LC's wouldn't grow... even G2G's didn't go anywhere.
Finally tried RR's tek from the vid (which would have been most normal people's first method to try...lol)... and I've had 100% success with spores, LCs and G2G.
To recap that method:
1.) dump 1 cup of dry organic rye into a big pot, for every 1 quart jar you wish to noc. 2.) then rinse thoroughly with warm tap water...stirring the seeds and warm water all around 3.) drain that water out... then repeat. continue rinsing and dumping several times until water is clear 4.) then fill up with more warm water and let soak for 24 hours (approx) 5.) after 24 hours, boil the water and soaked rye (in the water it soaked in) for 10 minutes 6.) then drain the water and toss the hydrated rye in a strainer (i use a metal colander... has fine holes so seeds don't get stuck) 7.) then keep tossing the hydrated rye seeds in the strainer (colander) until there's no more steam coming up from the rye 8.) then i let it sit for a bit to make sure there's little to no outside moisture on the berries. 9.) then fell your jars (leaving room to shake later) 10.) PC for 90 minutes @ 15
the end.
honestly, i've tried all sorts of ways to prep rye... and for ME, this is the only way that has worked... and it works for me 100% of the time... so far (knock on wood)
but, like i said... what works for one person, may not work for another... clearly there are environmental variables that skew each persons results
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Doodle
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that is not RR's tek it is just how he does it and says to do it, but people have been using that tek way before the RR videos. And if the other ways didnt work for you, then you wasnt doing them right.
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nw_shroomy
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Re: soaking rye or wbs vs not [Re: Doodle]
#10080675 - 03/31/09 02:17 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Since we are taking about this.why is it that you have to PC for 90 minutes? Who came up with 90 minutes? You would think that 30 minutes would be plenty. I always do it 90 because thats what the tek I follow says to do it. Any thoughts?
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dead
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Re: soaking rye or wbs vs not [Re: nw_shroomy]
#10080724 - 03/31/09 02:25 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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why is it that you have to PC for 90 minutes?
I think it's because grain endospores are very resilient. I remember reading that to kill absolutely all of them you'd need to PC for 20 hours or something... so we just PC them just enough to give the mycelium a head start.
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Blutjager
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Re: soaking rye or wbs vs not [Re: dead]
#10080775 - 03/31/09 02:33 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I used to PC for 100 min,figured an extra ten couldn't hurt and I for one have not found a single(I have tried many)WBS tek that gives me consistent results and always used to find myself going back to rye.With WBS its always hit and miss for some reason,half the jars from the same batch wont work half the time.I wish so much that I could ind a tek that worked every time like with rye.With rye I hardly ever lost anything and if I did it was my own fault I assume
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Re: soaking rye or wbs vs not [Re: nw_shroomy]
#10082307 - 03/31/09 06:14 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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nw_shroomy said: Since we are taking about this.why is it that you have to PC for 90 minutes? Who came up with 90 minutes? You would think that 30 minutes would be plenty. I always do it 90 because thats what the tek I follow says to do it. Any thoughts?
Probably to insure the heat penetrates to the core of the jars/bags. The time really depends on how much grain you're pc'ing. Gallon jars of grain will take longer to sterilize than 1qt jars because it will take longer for the steam to penetrate the grains and get the core temperature up.
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Re: soaking rye or wbs vs not [Re: FooMan]
#10082527 - 03/31/09 06:37 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am currently in the process of doing my first rye jars. I have my procedure listed and I update very often. Here is the link if you are interested in following along. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10041567 My procedure is very similar to what DesperateFuture listed.
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DesperateFuture
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Re: soaking rye or wbs vs not [Re: Doodle]
#10082612 - 03/31/09 06:47 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doodle said: that is not RR's tek it is just how he does it and says to do it, but people have been using that tek way before the RR videos. And if the other ways didnt work for you, then you wasnt doing them right.
ah. well, that's where i first learned of the tek. and after many failed other teks... that one worked the first time for me... and has worked every time since.
just passing that experience on... so hopefully others are saved the headaches.
but, like i said... what works for some, doesnt work for others.
welcome back btw
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Doodle
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hey, no biggie bro, and glad to be back, how did you know? profile? but i got 5+ shrooms for you to show you i wasn't taking a stab at ya.
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DesperateFuture
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Re: soaking rye or wbs vs not [Re: Doodle]
#10083253 - 03/31/09 08:23 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doodle said: hey, no biggie bro, and glad to be back, how did you know? profile? but i got 5+ shrooms for you to show you i wasn't taking a stab at ya.
yep, profile .. 
i know you weren't being negative.. lol
i'll take any info i can from this community... great bunch of people
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