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Question for Americans
    #10064994 - 03/29/09 09:29 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

Are you proud of you're countries choice to nuke Japan? Twice!

I don't know many Germans who are proud of their past and surprisingly a lot of Americans don't agree with the nukings of Japan.

Just wondering what some of you Shroomites think about this.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
    #10064998 - 03/29/09 09:31 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

i'm saddened by the thought of it.  no i'm not proud.

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
    #10065002 - 03/29/09 09:33 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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Are you proud of you're countries choice to nuke Japan? Twice!






It makes me sick actually.

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: MOTH]
    #10065012 - 03/29/09 09:36 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

It makes me sick also, and I hate Japan(they eat whale), I'm sure plenty of good folk were killed in that attack.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: norml840]
    #10065016 - 03/29/09 09:36 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

Well, I donth think that we should have hit civilian targets on such a massive scale, but if we hadnt done it, then somebody else would have done it to us.

I think that something major had to be done to end the war, but the killing of 600,000 or so innocents was not right.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: norml840]
    #10065039 - 03/29/09 09:42 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

I seriously have a lot of guilt over it but not necessarily because I take pride in my country. The amount of devastation and human suffering that resulted just should never have happened to anybody ever. It makes me sad for humankind.

There is a framed dedication to the event hanging on the wall of my work. It doesn't say anything about what happened but simply refers to "That fateful day" and has a little chunk of riveted steel that has ENOLA GAY (the name of the B-29 bomber that dropped the first atom bomb) painted on it. I went on a little rant one day about how we should all be ashamed of it but they view it as saving more lives than were killed. Apparently just a few days before I brought it up one of the pilots responsible came in and ate lunch. He has pretty much just tried to forget about it and feel neither guilt nor pride.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: proud_republican]
    #10065042 - 03/29/09 09:43 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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killing of 600,000 or so innocents was not right.




It sent a message to the world not to play with the states or you're gonna get fucked up


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
    #10065138 - 03/29/09 10:07 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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Are you proud of you're countries choice to nuke Japan? Twice!

I don't know many Germans who are proud of their past and surprisingly a lot of Americans don't agree with the nukings of Japan.

Just wondering what some of you Shroomites think about this.




I am not proud, but accept, agree, understand how and why we did what we did.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #10065147 - 03/29/09 10:09 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

Agreed.  Im not proud, but do think it was the right decision.

Many more civilians died in 'traditional' bombings than the nukes.

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: AmericanPsycho]
    #10065149 - 03/29/09 10:09 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

No the message that it sent to the world is that america is evil.

According to wikipedia less than 2,500 of our soldiers and 57 innocent civilians were killed, and just over 1,000 soldiers and 35 civilians wounded during Pearl Harbor. How the fuck can you compare that to the over 200,000  innocents killed and countless more who suffered horrifying disfigurement and radiation poisoning? The attack on Pearl Harbor was a strategic military strike but what we did in return was just sick.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: elcharrosays]
    #10065221 - 03/29/09 10:21 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

If you find yourself feeling guilty about it, just remember all the sailors and others that were attacked by the Japanese prior to Hiroshima & Nagasaki.  Total act of cowardice.  The Japanese stirred up the wrong beehive. 

Comparing the nuke attacks with Germany's holocaust is silly.  Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't remember thousands of Jews secretly assaulting Hitler while he was just chilling at his castle.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: skydog]
    #10065266 - 03/29/09 10:30 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

I agree!

It was a shame that it was necessary, but it was necessary.  Japan has a FIERCE and BRUTAL history.  Why do you think we don't let them have a military anymore?


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: skydog]
    #10065268 - 03/29/09 10:30 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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If you find yourself feeling guilty about it, just remember all the sailors and others that were attacked by the Japanese prior to Hiroshima & Nagasaki.  Total act of cowardice.  The Japanese stirred up the wrong beehive.




:werd:

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Comparing the nuke attacks with Germany's holocaust is silly.  Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't remember thousands of Jews secretly assaulting Hitler while he was just chilling at his castle.




True.

There is a big difference between bombing a city to stop a war, and starting a war in order to kill a whole race of people.

The nuking of Japan had to be done to get the Japanese to surrender.

I have no guilt for what America did to end WW2.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: skydog]
    #10065275 - 03/29/09 10:31 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

Agreed.  It was Japan's decision to start the war.  The U.S. was not at war with Japan when they launched an attack on our fleet at Pearl Harbor with the goal of weakening our defenses so they could take over our entire country.  We fought back and won the war.  The 'bomb' resulted in a Japanese surrender, thus it worked.

Why don't you ask the Japanese if they're proud they decided to attack the U.S., or al qaida if they're proud they decided to attack the WTC.
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: skydog]
    #10065295 - 03/29/09 10:34 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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If you find yourself feeling guilty about it, just remember all the sailors and others that were attacked by the Japanese prior to Hiroshima & Nagasaki.  Total act of cowardice.  The Japanese stirred up the wrong beehive. 





the japanese simply retaliated for american blocades preventing
them form obtaining steel and oil, the attacked pearl harbor
because the US had been attacking them

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10065301 - 03/29/09 10:35 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

I didn't nuke anybody.  Collectivism .... :thumbdown:


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: niteowl]
    #10065308 - 03/29/09 10:37 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

Plus you have to think of it from their perspective...  They didnt have 60 years of indoctrination of the horror and power of nuclear weapons.  We were fire bombing japan like mad, killing hundreds of thousands of people.  Then we got a new bomb, one that could do what we were doing before with only one plane.  So we did exactly what we we were doing before (bombing that kills hundreds of thousands), just this time it only needed on plane.

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10065359 - 03/29/09 10:51 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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skydog said:
If you find yourself feeling guilty about it, just remember all the sailors and others that were attacked by the Japanese prior to Hiroshima & Nagasaki.  Total act of cowardice.  The Japanese stirred up the wrong beehive. 





the japanese simply retaliated for american blocades preventing
them form obtaining steel and oil, the attacked pearl harbor
because the US had been attacking them




That is true, however the Japanese knew that the United States wanted to remain neutral and the US did not want to get involved in the cross fire by providing certain supplies to both sides. When the US stopped exporting oil to Japan they saw it as an act of betrayal and of war. Thus Pearl Harbor..

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: feifen]
    #10065372 - 03/29/09 10:54 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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That is true, however the Japanese knew that the United States wanted to remain neutral and the US did not want to get involved in the cross fire by providing certain supplies to both sides. When the US stopped exporting oil to Japan they saw it as an act of betrayal and of war. Thus Pearl Harbor..




No it's never the US fault right? Always an excuse eh?


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
    #10065382 - 03/29/09 10:55 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

The US has lots of faults, and fought many unjust conflicts.  WWII happens to not be one of them.

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
    #10065450 - 03/29/09 11:09 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

WWII had the highest casualty rate in history.  Countries such as Poland lost over 1,000,000+ civilians and the USSR lost about 12,000,000 civilians alone. It sucks that all those non-militant Japanese had to die, but in the grand scheme of things, they weren't the only country losing civilians. That was just a nasty war, all around.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
    #10065476 - 03/29/09 11:15 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

I don't think its a valid question to ask if a person is "proud" of their country when it comes to fighting wars.  No one likes the things that happen in war.  Lots of innocent people die, and theres no way to feel good about that.  But I agree with the decision to drop the bombs.  It brought an end to the conflict with Japan, and it has been argued that this actually saved lives in the long run.  If the war had dragged on for years who knows what could've happened, and the nukes might've been used in the end anyway.

Besides, its only controversial because it was nuclear weapons, and nukes are a hot topic.  Some of the carpet-bombing that went on during WWII was just as horrific and destructive.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: feifen]
    #10065481 - 03/29/09 11:15 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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That is true, however the Japanese knew that the United States wanted to remain neutral and the US did not want to get involved in the cross fire by providing certain supplies to both sides. When the US stopped exporting oil to Japan they saw it as an act of betrayal and of war. Thus Pearl Harbor..




except we were sinking merchant ships heading for japan, so much for neutrality

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: ToTheSummit]
    #10065517 - 03/29/09 11:25 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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I don't think its a valid question to ask if a person is "proud" of their country when it comes to fighting wars.  No one likes the things that happen in war.  Lots of innocent people die, and theres no way to feel good about that.  But I agree with the decision to drop the bombs.  It brought an end to the conflict with Japan, and it has been argued that this actually saved lives in the long run.  If the war had dragged on for years who knows what could've happened, and the nukes might've been used in the end anyway.

Besides, its only controversial because it was nuclear weapons, and nukes are a hot topic.  Some of the carpet-bombing that went on during WWII was just as horrific and destructive.




I'd be a proud fucking Canadian if my country had nukes and used them on certain countries that I won't mention.

Japan didn't need to be Nuked, that's what they want you to believe.

Japan was on fire dude, they napalmed everything AND carpet bombed everything day after day. They nuked the Japanese to show the world that they had the technology and weren't afraid to use it.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: DieCommie]
    #10065522 - 03/29/09 11:27 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

not proud about anything having to do w/ america.  please come down here and rescue me from hell please.  sighned south alabamian


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: ellomello]
    #10065532 - 03/29/09 11:30 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

Yeah living in the U.S. is really hell.  Give me a fucking break.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: CokedUpHobit64]
    #10065566 - 03/29/09 11:36 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

its not hell

its a kushy cage

but a not so cushy mental cage

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: anyone420]
    #10065639 - 03/29/09 11:49 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

USSR lost so many lives at that time because their czar murdered its people. Not just because they fought the war. Communists countries do that. I forgot the name of the Czar but he was compared right next to hitler and saddam. Mass execution of his own people. He murdered what was it 3 million people? Maybe more.

I pitty any man or woman who believes that war is the answer to anything.
Today we fight and pay for the freedom and liberations of other countries. As Americans, instead of using our money to make our freedoms greater, we assist the weak and the poor. We all know the real reasons why we are assisting the weak and the poor. Thats to steal their money and oil. Everyone in the world knows that.

Thats why americans are now hated. I envy the men who built this country. That faught against the british 225 years ago. These people will liberate themselves if they want to be liberated.

In the last 30 years America has changed from The land of the free and the home of the brave. To Hitlers Nazi Germany. The concepts are all the same. The only difference. instead of mass murdering people our government brainwashing them with bullshit poropaganda.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Shr00mZ]
    #10065673 - 03/29/09 11:54 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

^^^^ I was reading and got up to this part and felt a heat rush in my body :

As Americans, instead of using our money to make our freedoms greater, we assist the weak and the poor. We all know the real reasons why we are assisting the weak and the poor.

Then I read on and saw this and I cooled off instantly :

Thats to steal their money and oil. Everyone in the world knows that.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
    #10065706 - 03/29/09 11:58 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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Are you proud of you're countries choice to nuke Japan? Twice!

I don't know many Germans who are proud of their past and surprisingly a lot of Americans don't agree with the nukings of Japan.

Just wondering what some of you Shroomites think about this.





I think it shows how dangerous pride can be. The Japanese didn't surrender after the first, that was their mistake. If Millions of Japanese had to die to save millions of Americans I don't really see the dilemma in a time of war. Its just a shame that it changed how the world works, as soon as the first bomb was dropped warfare changed completely.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: anyone420]
    #10065716 - 03/29/09 11:59 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

there was a documentary a while ago on the History channel about the nuking of japan. They showed that the United States knew about the upcoming Pearl harbor attack because they broke the Japanese naval codes. But they didn't want to stop the attack because then the Japanese would know they knew the codes, and change them. it would then take years to break the code again. And the japanese attacked because we where blockading them, which is an act of war.

And in the end, the Japanese tried to surrender months before the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The US just ignored it because they wanted to scare the Soviets with their new weapon, the atomic bomb. So we directly aimed at civilian centers and killed over a thousand innocent people, just so we could intimidate Russia.

In war we always tend to make sides into the "good" and "evil" sides. the Japanese where "evil", so they bombed us. And then in our infinite "goodness", we bombed the shit out of japan.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Jawofmalak]
    #10065735 - 03/29/09 12:01 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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there was a documentary a while ago on the History channel about the nuking of japan. They showed that the United States knew about the upcoming Pearl harbor attack because they broke the Japanese naval codes. But they didn't want to stop the attack because then the Japanese would know they knew the codes, and change them. it would then take years to break the code again. And the japanese attacked because we where blockading them, which is an act of war.

And in the end, the Japanese tried to surrender months before the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The US just ignored it because they wanted to scare the Soviets with their new weapon, the atomic bomb. So we directly aimed at civilian centers and killed over a thousand innocent people, just so we could intimidate Russia.

In war we always tend to make sides into the "good" and "evil" sides. the Japanese where "evil", so they bombed us. And then in our infinite "goodness", we bombed the shit out of japan.




That's correct/

I saw that on History channel.

They didn't even get Pearl Harbor ready in case of an attack.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
    #10065744 - 03/29/09 12:02 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

WWII was pretty much the last time our country was collectively proud about a war. i'm not happy about bombing and killing civilians, but it prevented years of fighting and casualties. it's not like we didn't warn the japanese, either.

what is sad is that once invented, technology with such destructive power will remain a constant threat to humanity indefinitely.

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Jawofmalak]
    #10065771 - 03/29/09 12:05 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

Well American hasnt been around long. My point was we need to support ourselves. Right now we're not. We are poor and depressed.
Yes we do have bigger guns than everybody else. That isnt going to matter though.. when the japenese create super weapons to make guns look like a joke. The japenese are doing soo well... it makes us look like 5th place... cuz they got 1st threw 4th because we're helping the people in last place when thats the UNs job.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
    #10065807 - 03/29/09 12:08 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

Considering how brutal WWII was, I think the atomic bombs dropped on Japan were a good move by America. It was crazy between the time of Pearl Harbor and 'the drop'. So many Americans and Japanese died. The Japanese were brainwashed into killing themselves if they were overrun so the Americans 'wouldn't eat their dead corpses'. Something had to be done. I don't agree with the civilian casualties. They probably could have taken a better target. But overall, I think it was the right move. It definitely saved more lives than it took.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #10065828 - 03/29/09 12:10 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

Supposely our country values civilian life.. but yet the atomics bombs... I luv how we're all hypocrits. When the government tells you something.. the opposite is the truth.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Shr00mZ]
    #10065849 - 03/29/09 12:13 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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we're all hypocrits




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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Shr00mZ]
    #10065850 - 03/29/09 12:13 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

The 9 scariest words in  the English language are, "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10065866 - 03/29/09 12:16 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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RogerRabbit said:
Agreed.  It was Japan's decision to start the war.  The U.S. was not at war with Japan when they launched an attack on our fleet at Pearl Harbor with the goal of weakening our defenses so they could take over our entire country.  We fought back and won the war.  The 'bomb' resulted in a Japanese surrender, thus it worked.

Why don't you ask the Japanese if they're proud they decided to attack the U.S., or al qaida if they're proud they decided to attack the WTC.
RR





They started it.... Like the British :hehehe:....


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #10065887 - 03/29/09 12:18 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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ScYiNs47 said:
The Japanese were brainwashed into killing themselves if they were overrun so the Americans 'wouldn't eat their dead corpses'.




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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Shr00mZ]
    #10065899 - 03/29/09 12:20 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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Shr00mZ said:
Supposely our country values civilian life.. but yet the atomics bombs... I luv how we're all hypocrits. When the government tells you something.. the opposite is the truth.



Only in the Pub can you get such insightful commentary on important matters. :emo:


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
    #10065905 - 03/29/09 12:21 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

:onfire:

So much misinformation in this post I just spontaneously combusted.  Thanks a lot assholes.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: AmericanPsycho]
    #10065925 - 03/29/09 12:23 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

Indeed


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Jadian]
    #10065928 - 03/29/09 12:23 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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Jadian said:
:onfire:

So much misinformation in this post I just spontaneously combusted.  Thanks a lot assholes.




If you're gonna say something like that at least back up what you have to say and post some "correct" information.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: skydog]
    #10065936 - 03/29/09 12:25 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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skydog said:
If you find yourself feeling guilty about it, just remember all the sailors and others that were attacked by the Japanese prior to Hiroshima & Nagasaki.  Total act of cowardice.  The Japanese stirred up the wrong beehive. 

Comparing the nuke attacks with Germany's holocaust is silly.  Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't remember thousands of Jews secretly assaulting Hitler while he was just chilling at his castle.





Well Hitler said it was the jew's fault. :laugh:

The bomb was a sad choice, but it seems to me that it was one of the best, instead of sending more and more soldiers and killing more and more civilians. Japanese army looked like it preferred death of every japanese rather than surrender.

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Kukaracha]
    #10065947 - 03/29/09 12:27 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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Kukaracha said:
Japanese army looked like it preferred death of every japanese rather than surrender.




I wouldn't doubt it


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
    #10065955 - 03/29/09 12:28 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

What do you thank come from someone in Canada.The French where so push overs in the French and Indian War and WW2.:rofl2:


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Brainiac]
    #10065962 - 03/29/09 12:29 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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Brainiac said:
What do you thank come from someone in Canada.




Say what now?


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Kukaracha]
    #10065968 - 03/29/09 12:29 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

Well, there was a coup going on by the military against the emperor - the military did want to fight to the death, but the 'god emperor' did not.  But we didnt know that, and didnt want them surrendering to the Russians who would have entered the conflict in that theater, gained control and possibly continue marching west in europe.

Its complex for sure, but in the end most people are against it cause the negative connotation that 'nukes' have, since most of the fighting was conventional and killed alot more than those two bombs.

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
    #10065979 - 03/29/09 12:31 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

Again, the Japanese tried to surrender months BEFORE the bombing. We just wanted to show off our weapon. The bomb was never necessary, and any weapon which indiscriminately kills civilians is never justified.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
    #10065980 - 03/29/09 12:31 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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hpi said:
Quote:

Brainiac said:
What do you thank come from someone in Canada.




Say what now?




How aboot that..


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Jawofmalak]
    #10066006 - 03/29/09 12:34 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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Again, the Japanese tried to surrender months BEFORE the bombing.




Yea, under their terms so they could maintain their empire and oppression of mainland asia - obviously unacceptable.

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Brainiac]
    #10066040 - 03/29/09 12:38 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

It was horrible. Did japan kill american civilians? I really don't know.

It really was the only way to stop them, they were relentless. Altho we could have set off the nukes right off their coasts and scared the shit out of them to stop attacking us probably. But that isn't what the military does.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: DieCommie]
    #10066077 - 03/29/09 12:41 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

i dont feel bad for something i didnt have anything to do with. I am not my country.

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: DieCommie]
    #10066080 - 03/29/09 12:42 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

Yes, they should have surrendered under OUR terms. Surrender doesn't mean that you completely give up your sovereignty and just bow to the whims of another country. You negotiate, and we refused to negotiate. Which ironically is now one of our major problems with the world.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Kada]
    #10066086 - 03/29/09 12:42 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

They didnt kill many america civilians at all, but they did kill many millions of non-american civilians around asia.  They were genocidally racist much like the germans.  (the germans didnt kill many american civilians either)

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: DieCommie]
    #10066115 - 03/29/09 12:46 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

Evil move on Americas part, but it had to be done, the war was fucked up enough as it was for what was going on that people didn't even know about. I think it was a righteous and long thought out decision to put a drastic stop to that horrible war, even though how fucked up it was, I love Japans culture, and I don't think they "deserved" to get nuked, but they were kinda barking up the wrong tree, but I hand it to those japs, they have fuckin big balls for where their penises lack in size


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: DieCommie]
    #10066139 - 03/29/09 12:49 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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Qubit said:
Well, there was a coup going on by the military against the emperor - the military did want to fight to the death, but the 'god emperor' did not.  But we didnt know that, and didnt want them surrendering to the Russians who would have entered the conflict in that theater, gained control and possibly continue marching west in europe.





the claim is that WWII started in september of 1939, a few years
prior japan invaded china, china was allied to germany, russia
came to the aid of china who then cut ties with the germans who
refused to defend them, russia was already in the pacific theater

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Zefiron]
    #10066144 - 03/29/09 12:49 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

You love current Japan's culture? (which was made very much in the US image) or the pre-WWII culture?  Because they are quite different...

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: DieCommie]
    #10066303 - 03/29/09 01:07 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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Qubit said:
You love current Japan's culture? (which was made very much in the US image) or the pre-WWII culture?  Because they are quite different...




I would say now, back in the day it was very different yeah and I'd prolly have died in such a headstrong development.
But the whole TokyoBubbleGumPop thing just fascinates me, and I think when Japanese women are hot, they're damn hot, I don't even know why.
Also the whole Samurai thing completely captured my imagination as a child, the whole honor thing and just fuckin people up if they say one wrong thing to you, really cool. Japans coo in my opinion, just a little too strict sometimes


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: DieCommie]
    #10066430 - 03/29/09 01:19 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

Indeed.

People, and the poster up there too, check out Nankin massacre and the 751 unit.
These things had to stop, Japanese empire had to come to an end.

I don't really dislike Japanese culture, but lolicons, hikikomori, the ambient dislike of reality, the social pressure aren't thing I really appreciate, to name a few.
"Nevada-chan" or such things get a lot of positive feedback too from nerds; Japanese society, from my point of view, is kind of mentally ill.

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Kukaracha]
    #10066458 - 03/29/09 01:23 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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Indeed.

People, and the poster up there too, check out Nankin massacre and the 751 unit.






unit 751 was protected by the US throughout the occupation of japan

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10066489 - 03/29/09 01:27 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

Yes, that's the other side of the coin, seems like they wanted to use the data.
However, the camp's activity ceased, didn't it?

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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Kukaracha]
    #10066525 - 03/29/09 01:31 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

that's questionable, there were reports that the operations
still continued on russian, chinese and even japanese people

much like Sadam and his biological weapons that were traced
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
    #10066568 - 03/29/09 01:35 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

I'd like to think there was a better way to end the war.  But I don't have any answers, so I'll just accept that it was the best of bad options.


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Re: Question for Americans [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10066604 - 03/29/09 01:39 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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Why don't you ask the Japanese if they're proud they decided to attack the U.S., or al qaida if they're proud they decided to attack the WTC.
RR




I do wonder...

looking at the current state of our economy, with our over extension of over-seas operations...

Maybe this was the real goal of the attack?


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