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skydog
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Shr00mZ]
#10065899 - 03/29/09 12:20 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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Shr00mZ said: Supposely our country values civilian life.. but yet the atomics bombs... I luv how we're all hypocrits. When the government tells you something.. the opposite is the truth.
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Jadian
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
#10065905 - 03/29/09 12:21 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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So much misinformation in this post I just spontaneously combusted. Thanks a lot assholes.
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DR. PRIME
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hpi
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Jadian]
#10065928 - 03/29/09 12:23 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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Jadian said:
So much misinformation in this post I just spontaneously combusted. Thanks a lot assholes.
If you're gonna say something like that at least back up what you have to say and post some "correct" information.
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Kukaracha
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: skydog]
#10065936 - 03/29/09 12:25 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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skydog said: If you find yourself feeling guilty about it, just remember all the sailors and others that were attacked by the Japanese prior to Hiroshima & Nagasaki. Total act of cowardice. The Japanese stirred up the wrong beehive.
Comparing the nuke attacks with Germany's holocaust is silly. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't remember thousands of Jews secretly assaulting Hitler while he was just chilling at his castle.
Well Hitler said it was the jew's fault.
The bomb was a sad choice, but it seems to me that it was one of the best, instead of sending more and more soldiers and killing more and more civilians. Japanese army looked like it preferred death of every japanese rather than surrender.
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AmericanPsycho
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Kukaracha]
#10065947 - 03/29/09 12:27 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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Kukaracha said: Japanese army looked like it preferred death of every japanese rather than surrender.
I wouldn't doubt it
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
#10065955 - 03/29/09 12:28 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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What do you thank come from someone in Canada.The French where so push overs in the French and Indian War and WW2.
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hpi
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Brainiac]
#10065962 - 03/29/09 12:29 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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Brainiac said: What do you thank come from someone in Canada.
Say what now?
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DieCommie
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Kukaracha]
#10065968 - 03/29/09 12:29 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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Well, there was a coup going on by the military against the emperor - the military did want to fight to the death, but the 'god emperor' did not. But we didnt know that, and didnt want them surrendering to the Russians who would have entered the conflict in that theater, gained control and possibly continue marching west in europe.
Its complex for sure, but in the end most people are against it cause the negative connotation that 'nukes' have, since most of the fighting was conventional and killed alot more than those two bombs.
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Jawofmalak
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
#10065979 - 03/29/09 12:31 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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Again, the Japanese tried to surrender months BEFORE the bombing. We just wanted to show off our weapon. The bomb was never necessary, and any weapon which indiscriminately kills civilians is never justified.
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Brainiac
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: hpi]
#10065980 - 03/29/09 12:31 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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hpi said:
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Brainiac said: What do you thank come from someone in Canada.
Say what now?
How aboot that..
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DieCommie
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Jawofmalak]
#10066006 - 03/29/09 12:34 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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Jawofmalak said: Again, the Japanese tried to surrender months BEFORE the bombing.
Yea, under their terms so they could maintain their empire and oppression of mainland asia - obviously unacceptable.
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Kada
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Brainiac]
#10066040 - 03/29/09 12:38 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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It was horrible. Did japan kill american civilians? I really don't know.
It really was the only way to stop them, they were relentless. Altho we could have set off the nukes right off their coasts and scared the shit out of them to stop attacking us probably. But that isn't what the military does.
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moon_glue
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: DieCommie]
#10066077 - 03/29/09 12:41 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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i dont feel bad for something i didnt have anything to do with. I am not my country.
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Jawofmalak
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: DieCommie]
#10066080 - 03/29/09 12:42 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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Yes, they should have surrendered under OUR terms. Surrender doesn't mean that you completely give up your sovereignty and just bow to the whims of another country. You negotiate, and we refused to negotiate. Which ironically is now one of our major problems with the world.
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DieCommie
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Kada]
#10066086 - 03/29/09 12:42 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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They didnt kill many america civilians at all, but they did kill many millions of non-american civilians around asia. They were genocidally racist much like the germans. (the germans didnt kill many american civilians either)
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: DieCommie]
#10066115 - 03/29/09 12:46 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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Evil move on Americas part, but it had to be done, the war was fucked up enough as it was for what was going on that people didn't even know about. I think it was a righteous and long thought out decision to put a drastic stop to that horrible war, even though how fucked up it was, I love Japans culture, and I don't think they "deserved" to get nuked, but they were kinda barking up the wrong tree, but I hand it to those japs, they have fuckin big balls for where their penises lack in size
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: DieCommie]
#10066139 - 03/29/09 12:49 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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Qubit said: Well, there was a coup going on by the military against the emperor - the military did want to fight to the death, but the 'god emperor' did not. But we didnt know that, and didnt want them surrendering to the Russians who would have entered the conflict in that theater, gained control and possibly continue marching west in europe.
the claim is that WWII started in september of 1939, a few years prior japan invaded china, china was allied to germany, russia came to the aid of china who then cut ties with the germans who refused to defend them, russia was already in the pacific theater
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DieCommie
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: Zefiron]
#10066144 - 03/29/09 12:49 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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You love current Japan's culture? (which was made very much in the US image) or the pre-WWII culture? Because they are quite different...
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Zefiron
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Re: Question for Americans [Re: DieCommie]
#10066303 - 03/29/09 01:07 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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Qubit said: You love current Japan's culture? (which was made very much in the US image) or the pre-WWII culture? Because they are quite different...
I would say now, back in the day it was very different yeah and I'd prolly have died in such a headstrong development. But the whole TokyoBubbleGumPop thing just fascinates me, and I think when Japanese women are hot, they're damn hot, I don't even know why. Also the whole Samurai thing completely captured my imagination as a child, the whole honor thing and just fuckin people up if they say one wrong thing to you, really cool. Japans coo in my opinion, just a little too strict sometimes
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