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demonicaeroponic
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Zero-Work Bulk Tec
#10063405 - 03/28/09 11:50 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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So after AFOAF had grown 6 times using different methods each time, AFOAF decided that he had spent enough days in front of a stove, enough time lathered in alcohol, breathing through a mask with the taste of lysol in the air, enough hours spent showering and slaving away. Thus, the idea came to AFOAF's mind. "Let's buy it all pre-made and slap it together!"
Obviously, the next thought was, "But alas, that will be too expensive!" Yet after much research into respectable distributors, a plan was pulled together with some figure's attached, and it goes as follows (shipping factored into per-unit price.):
True Bulk involves 10 tubs, each consuming 1 spawn bag, 1 MS syringe, 10 lbs of HPoo, 1 18Gal Rubbermaid:
3 lb Spawnbags from SporeWorks! (x10), 12$ a piece. MultiSpore Syringe from Ralphsters! (x12), 9$ a piece. 100 lbs of Pre-Pasturized 50/50 Mix from TennStud, 150$+70$Shipping/10 =, ~22$ a piece. 18 gal Rubbermaid (x10), 5 - 8$ a piece.
Total: ~51$ per rubbermaid, 510$ total.
Projected Output: here's where the guess work comes into play. With 3 lbs of spawn and straight coir, uncased, 4-5oz per rubbermaid was achieved. With Hpoo I'm thinking somewhere around 6-10oz may be achievable, with 6 being the realistic goal.
Total: ~60-100oz's. (3.75-6.25 lbs)
I welcome any comments as to this projected output, and would love to hear what you all think of this as a more pain-free (albeit expensive) tec to growing without stinking up the place, dirtying your hands, and saving countless hours of work.
(yes, it is work to grow if you attend college or work full time or, like some of us, do both, while juggling a full time girlfriend)
Edited by demonicaeroponic (03/30/09 02:34 AM)
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GleamingTheCube
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Wow that seems like quite an investment but I guess it would save you considerable time. Time is money as they say. The only part of this that I think you have overlooked is the space required to house and manage all this stuff. Where the hell are you going to put it all? 10 rubbermaid tubs will take a lot of room. Where can you put 100 pounds of shit? (Jeezus H that is like half a pallet of horse poo) If you have zero contams your harvest projections seem attainable but I still think there is going to be a lot of work required to successfully pull off a batch of this size. I realize that to buy in bulk keeps costs down but unless you have a LOT of space to house all this stuff it may be harder than you have made it sound here. On the other hand, if you have the balls (and the extra room) to pull this off it may work out well for you. I wish you luck in any case.
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holy shit
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think of this as a more pain-free (albeit expensive) tec to growing without stinking up the place, dirtying your hands, and saving countless hours of work.
those are the funnest parts of mushroom cultivation.
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I would save some money and use only 1 syringe. 12 syringes is overkill. IMO.
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Re: Zero-Work Bulk Tec [Re: Jii]
#10064350 - 03/29/09 04:54 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well to each his own, to many on the board the premade stuff seems to kill some of the fun/agony of cultivation, but if one is purely in it for the end result and less so for the other stuffs, or have a ton of money, or perhaps just lack time, then the premade stuff is great. Just don't mess it up in the process, or you will quickly learn that those spawn bags will rack up in cost. The sponsors are really good about stuff, so if you get trich or others problems, most likely you need to review sterile technique.
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MycoMario
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10 monotubs only putting out 4-7 lbs?
thats pretty conservative. i've seen it possible to get about one pound per shoebox sized tub after 3-4 flushes.
id say double your estimate.
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Re: Zero-Work Bulk Tec [Re: MycoMario]
#10064639 - 03/29/09 07:31 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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All you need is a set of shelves from lowes and maybe some extra lighting.
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that's a lot of money right thur. way to much for this poor white boy lol
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GleamingTheCube
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RE: the number of syringes... Yes 1 should be enough. You can make a batch of liquid culture with one syringe that will be more than enough to get you started even for a batch this size. Plus your bags will colonize faster. That would shave about $80 of your startup costs and maybe a week off of your total time from inoc to harvest.
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1 cup of LC is enough to easily get 180cc or so of inoculant. Provided you use about 3cc per quart, that's 60 quarts worth and there's nothing stopping you from doing more then one or larger ones.
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GleamingTheCube
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1 syringe can make literally GALLONS of LC... Just decide how much you need and mix accordingly. So yes, the 12 pack is definitely overkill unless you need the variety. In which case just buy the individual syringes and still save some money.
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Good luck getting consistent flushes with multispore inoculation.
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demonicaeroponic
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GleamingTheCube said: RE: the number of syringes... Yes 1 should be enough. You can make a batch of liquid culture with one syringe that will be more than enough to get you started even for a batch this size. Plus your bags will colonize faster. That would shave about $80 of your startup costs and maybe a week off of your total time from inoc to harvest.
1 Syringe per bag, with different strains, in order to preserve sterility. Moving 1 syringe from bag to bag increases (albeit slightly) chances of contamination.
With an investment already pushing 350$, the extra 80 for nearly zero contam percentages coupled with the extra savings in time when you can colonize a little faster by starting off with more inoculation points from the higher ml's of inoculate is an acceptable increase in price versus output.
Creating LC would indeed also be easy, but again increase timeload, increase contam percentages, and overall you'd have to wait for the LC to germinate anyways, so there are no time advantages from the get-go, unless you already have LC when you decide to buy all these things for such a bulk grow.
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GleamingTheCube said: The only part of this that I think you have overlooked is the space required to house and manage all this stuff. Where the hell are you going to put it all? 10 rubbermaid tubs will take a lot of room. Where can you put 100 pounds of shit? (Jeezus H that is like half a pallet of horse poo) If you have zero contams your harvest projections seem attainable but I still think there is going to be a lot of work required to successfully pull off a batch of this size.
Rubbermaids with two-by-fours seperating them(to allow light to enter from the top of rubbermaid) stack 5 high in any apartment/house easily. Side by side, that's 3ft by 5ft from floor to ceiling.
Thank you for your comments, any other members of the board feel that my projected output may be too low? I do believe that, uncased, this grow would only produce 4-7 lbs. Cased perhaps more but then you're introducing even more money into the tec, and who needs more than 7lbs of boomers? Not to mention you'd be getting them for ~70$ per lb.
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Re: Zero-Work Bulk Tec [Re: MycoMario]
#10070582 - 03/29/09 10:19 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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MycoMario said:
thats pretty conservative. i've seen it possible to get about one pound per shoebox sized tub after 3-4 flushes.
are you using a scale made out of chicken bones and duct tape with some numbers from the business section of the newspaper superglued to it?
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MycoMario said: thats pretty conservative. i've seen it possible to get about one pound per shoebox sized tub after 3-4 flushes.
are you using a scale made out of chicken bones and duct tape with some numbers from the business section of the newspaper superglued to it?
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MycoMario said: thats pretty conservative. i've seen it possible to get about one pound per shoebox sized tub after 3-4 flushes.
are you using a scale made out of chicken bones and duct tape with some numbers from the business section of the newspaper superglued to it?

I dont get it
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Re: Zero-Work Bulk Tec [Re: potatonet]
#10070896 - 03/29/09 11:04 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I believe he's saying that the measurements sound a little inflated and he's calling the accuracy of whatever scale made that measurement into question.
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If you have the money and not the motivation to do it all from scratch then go for it and don't worry about what others think. It's all about what it's worth to you. I prefer to spend about $10 per monotub instead of $60+ and put alot of work, love and attention into it, but that's just me.
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