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masterbation and porn
    #10059828 - 03/28/09 12:33 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

So, I've been having some conflicting thoughts lately.

I am feeling just awesome about my whole life, where it's headed and everything. I am strengthening my realtionship with God but I'm running into some struggles as far as sexual things go.

Like, according to the Bible, what does God feel about masterbation? Does he see it as sin?

Also, I've been cutting back on watching porn, because I feel in some way that it might be sin.

In christian view, how does masterbation and watching porn fair?? All input appreciated and encouraged. Thanks

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #10059842 - 03/28/09 12:37 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

I'm pretty sure the Christian god encourages all of the above.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #10059847 - 03/28/09 12:37 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

i was always told masturbation was a mortal sin (catholic)  but then it differed from one priest to another... so i dunno

imo wanking it is essential, especially if your going to try and stay abstinent like the church wants you to... as to porn im trying to stop watching it just cause it takes such fucked up stuff to get me turned on now, i can only really get off with rough sex now

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #10059852 - 03/28/09 12:39 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

Watching porn would be viewed as a sin, masturbation hard to say.  Any sexual thought (involving another person) entertained outside of marriage would be considered a sin.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #10059853 - 03/28/09 12:39 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

Jesus would say go for it, he was a hippie. God woujld stone you.

The only reason god hates sex though, is because Jesus got caught taking it up the butt one night his junior year.

Why not read the bible and inturperate the fairy tail yourself, rather then being a massive sheep. If you gotta wank, beat that meat.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #10059860 - 03/28/09 12:41 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

According to the Bible, God sees it as sin.

Nobody is perfect, for me personally, I don't do it as much as I used to. It's normal. I think it's not good to OVERDUE it, and cutting back is a good idea. Everything in moderation eh?

I'm not a big fan of pornography, I feel bad for the women in it, EXCEPT Sasha Grey (she likes it)

I think it's ignorant to live your life by a set of rules set by an organization. Everybody does it, people that say they never do it are lying.

Everybody does something with ill-intentions, you must be able forgive yourself for these actions.

I reccomend reading "The Book on the taboo against knowing who you are", by Alan Watts.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #10059865 - 03/28/09 12:43 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

I don't ever recall reading it in old testament. Though you could describe it as lust which would be a deadly sin. However I define lust as going to extremes for sexual satisfaction. Most modern theologies however don't really care too much if you rub one out every now and again; considering its actually beneficial for your health and mental state (eases stress and releases serotonin).

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: Irdamage]
    #10059910 - 03/28/09 12:53 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

You just make sure you got a tissue so your seed won't touch the ground. Then God won't be offended. Unless you're one of those hippie loving liberals who thinks the bible shouldn't be taken literally. :crazy2:


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #10059929 - 03/28/09 12:58 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

lol christians

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #10059960 - 03/28/09 01:05 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

Dude just crank on it when you need to.  If God really gave you all these sexual urges and was like, "Okay, but no doing ANYTHING until marriage" he'd be a fucking asshole.  That's pretty much just torture.

Fuck what the church says.  What do you think God would want?  Does beating the ole meat hurt anybody?  Hell no.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: CptnGarden]
    #10059997 - 03/28/09 01:15 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

I think porn entertains lust and it isn't good. Masturbation in itself is probably OK.
Personally, I don't really like porn, and if I watch it, I don't really feel good. It's probably something that's between you and God as to whether it's harmful or not. Like, if your attitude about women is to view them as objects for sex (strong example of lust), porn is very likely bad for you.
I can't say I know God's will, but that's just some of my thoughts on what it might be. Talk to Him about it :smile:

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: 4ohdmt]
    #10060024 - 03/28/09 01:19 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)



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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: circularvortex]
    #10060096 - 03/28/09 01:40 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

i feel truly sad for any person who subjects them self to live within the restraints of a mythical omnipotent being who was made up by retarded men a long ass time ago to steal money and freedom from the even more retarded general population of the time. THERE IS NO GOD, GOD IS A SECURITY BLANKET FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T STRONG ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH SHIT ON THEIR OWN. sure, god, and every single dead relative(that isn't in hell, that is)are in heaven, watching your every move. seriously? what a fucking joke! everyone fucks up, some are strong enough to learn from them and become better for it, others keep fucking up. either way there is no crazy bearded dude in the sky waiting to pass judgment upon your soul. you live here, on earth, and chances are when you die, that's it. and if any belief is correct, based upon the simple observation of the way things work here on earth, you will be recycled, you;ll be a fertilizer for some new form of life to grow,and if we're really lucky we'll come back as some other form of life. but to think that there is a(and it must be huge, and fucking overpopulated) place like heaven, or even hell awaiting us is the dumbest fucking thing I've heard in my life! do what will make you and those around you happy, if you're being a good person to get into heaven, then you're probably gonna fail! its easy, live your life the best you can, be decent, have fun, and for fucks sake, quit living in fear of something that doesn't exist!

and just for fuck's sake, if there is a god, it's definitely nothing like the image we have of him. if god, the creator of everything is real, he's gotta be a really cool guy, and definitely wont give a shit about you smackin around your wiener!
if you wanna beat it, then beat it. no harm no foul.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: IrSotallyTober]
    #10060107 - 03/28/09 01:45 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

i've heard that if you don't use it, you lose it, so you better beat off all you can OP.

plus it says in the OT that a man who had his testicles crushed was no longer allowed to enter God's temple, so if you lose your dick god will hate you and you'll be banned from church.

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: uber_aj]
    #10060118 - 03/28/09 01:47 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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uber_aj said:
i've heard that if you don't use it, you lose it, so you better beat off all you can OP.

plus it says in the OT that a man who had his testicles crushed was no longer allowed to enter God's temple, so if you lose your dick god will hate you and you'll be banned from church.




LOL

I would hate me if I lost MY dick.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: uber_aj]
    #10060120 - 03/28/09 01:47 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

And anything the church says, God says. :awesome:


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: IrSotallyTober]
    #10060149 - 03/28/09 01:54 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

religious people make me sick, for the most part all they do is pass their own judgment on people( totally against the wishes of jesus)and have been, historically, the most fucked up( devious, perverted, lying, hypocritical, thieving, judgmental, and most importantly - WRONG!)DOUCHE-BAGS on the face of the planet for centuries. it would be a much better( safer, more peaceful, higher quality of living, and generally happier world) at this point in human history if religion was done away with.  granted when Christianity/Muslim/Judaism were invented they were needed,and have done good for the people(education(catholics-
helped starving people, ect.) but for the last 200 years the religious system has failed and today is totally outdated and in a general seance,bad for humanity( fucked up discrimination, wars and fighting progress such as civil issues, not to mention science)

time to do away with an antiquated, and fucked up way of thinking people. take it upon your selves to make the right decisions in your life because it's the right thing to do, not because of some fucking made up story like going to heaven. the day religions are gone from the world's society( soon i hope) will be the day we evolve to the next level!  who knows, maybe we'll even learn how to use some more of that jell-o like shit siting in the hard round thing between your ears!


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Once I saw a duck walking down the street so I went into Subway and ordered two pieces of bread, and they informed me that they could not do that, like there was some special rule at Subway that two pieces of bread weren't allowed to touch. So the woman asked me what I wanted on the sandwich and I said I do not care it is for a duck, and she was like oh then it's free. I was not aware that ducks eat for free at Subway. It's like give me a chicken fajita sub, but don't worry about ringing it up, it is for a duck. -Mitch Headberg

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: IrSotallyTober]
    #10060154 - 03/28/09 01:55 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

"god" gave you your dick, there for it is yours to do with as you please.


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Once I saw a duck walking down the street so I went into Subway and ordered two pieces of bread, and they informed me that they could not do that, like there was some special rule at Subway that two pieces of bread weren't allowed to touch. So the woman asked me what I wanted on the sandwich and I said I do not care it is for a duck, and she was like oh then it's free. I was not aware that ducks eat for free at Subway. It's like give me a chicken fajita sub, but don't worry about ringing it up, it is for a duck. -Mitch Headberg

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: IrSotallyTober]
    #10060228 - 03/28/09 02:18 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

dude, calm the fuck down.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: King Koopa]
    #10060274 - 03/28/09 02:32 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

IMO, believe whatever the fuck you want, just dont tell me about it.

As far as masturbation and porn, yes, theyre both sins in the Catholic faith. As for the rest, idk.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: IrSotallyTober]
    #10060278 - 03/28/09 02:32 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

but if we quit believing in Jesus, everybody would run around raping, shooting, and robbing each other. America would fail, and with the US or God, who would lead the world?

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: uber_aj]
    #10060341 - 03/28/09 02:48 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

You don't need religion to have a simple sense of moral value. Christians are dumb.:grrr:


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: DeathCompany]
    #10060365 - 03/28/09 02:51 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

YOU DONT! Some people do. Get over it.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: IrSotallyTober]
    #10060426 - 03/28/09 03:10 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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IrSotallyTober said:
i feel truly sad for any person who subjects them self to live within the restraints of a mythical omnipotent being who was made up by retarded men a long ass time ago to steal money and freedom from the even more retarded general population of the time. THERE IS NO GOD, GOD IS A SECURITY BLANKET FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T STRONG ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH SHIT ON THEIR OWN. sure, god, and every single dead relative(that isn't in hell, that is)are in heaven, watching your every move. seriously? what a fucking joke! everyone fucks up, some are strong enough to learn from them and become better for it, others keep fucking up. either way there is no crazy bearded dude in the sky waiting to pass judgment upon your soul. you live here, on earth, and chances are when you die, that's it. and if any belief is correct, based upon the simple observation of the way things work here on earth, you will be recycled, you;ll be a fertilizer for some new form of life to grow,and if we're really lucky we'll come back as some other form of life. but to think that there is a(and it must be huge, and fucking overpopulated) place like heaven, or even hell awaiting us is the dumbest fucking thing I've heard in my life! do what will make you and those around you happy, if you're being a good person to get into heaven, then you're probably gonna fail! its easy, live your life the best you can, be decent, have fun, and for fucks sake, quit living in fear of something that doesn't exist!

and just for fuck's sake, if there is a god, it's definitely nothing like the image we have of him. if god, the creator of everything is real, he's gotta be a really cool guy, and definitely wont give a shit about you smackin around your wiener!
if you wanna beat it, then beat it. no harm no foul.





There is a God, indeed. The reason we humans thirst, is because there is water. The reason we hunger, is because there is food. If you walk into a forest and notice a watch on the ground, do you think that watch came from no where? Of course not. It came from man. Man created watches etc, and God created man.

There is no way that God does not exist. He is as real as you are. Look around you. How can all of this be chance? HOW CAN ALL OF THIS BE CHANCE?? Look at the precision of design in everything. Look at how magnificant everything is. How do you explain prayer? Prayer works wonders. I have never met a person who prays to God regularly, and BELIEVES IN HIM 100%, who does not have a strong, firm grounding and strength and zest for life.

Here's some food for thought.

WE now know that the sun is running out of energy. One day, it will completely burn out. You can use an analogy of the sun, to a tank of gas in a car. IF you put gas in the tank and use up the energy, it will eventually run out. But who put the gas in? BINGO, Man. Apply this same thing to the sun. DO you believe the sun literally popped out of nowhere? (just BOOM, a big huge flaming ball of fire, that does not move from it's position at all, and just happens to be the source of all life and creates the mean for existence on planet earth.) No. THat's like saying the gas just came from nowhere. It did not just come from no where...IT WAS CREATED.

It is said that people who have very strong oppositions to the reality of their being a God, usually have had very bad relationships with their fathers. Just thought I throw that out there....

If you have read any of the Bible, such as chapters like the book of Acts, Job, Proverbs, and Psalms...and you take to heart what the scriptures say, you would know There is a God, wonderful, magnificant, awesome and loving God who created you, me and everyone else.

I understand that you already have solidified your belief that he is not real. That is fine. To each his own. But for me, I have realized, that I cannot possibly be the best person I can be, without a relationship with God. Accepting God into my life, has been the greatest decision I ever made in my life hands down.

:peace: & :heart:


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A well developed sense of humor is far superior to any religion"

"Everything you could want and could be, you already have and are."

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: CptnGarden]
    #10060437 - 03/28/09 03:11 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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silly christians, tricks are for kids




:lol:


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I think it's pretty ignorant with no proof to say he exists. We get hungry because we need energy, not because there is food, we get thirsty because we sweat, and our body is mostly made up of water.

Your "God" is just as a fantasy as an atheists belief is to nonexistance of a god.

No one really knows, and you can live your life with restraints, that is fine. But you do drugs, doing drugs is looked down upon in the Bible, and by other members of the Church. Masturbation is healthy. Go ahead, stop masturbating, go get blue balls, see if we care. :rolleyes:

Edited by feifen (03/28/09 03:16 PM)

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #10060570 - 03/28/09 03:36 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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hoopershroomer said:
Quote:

IrSotallyTober said:
i feel truly sad for any person who subjects them self to live within the restraints of a mythical omnipotent being who was made up by retarded men a long ass time ago to steal money and freedom from the even more retarded general population of the time. THERE IS NO GOD, GOD IS A SECURITY BLANKET FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T STRONG ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH SHIT ON THEIR OWN. sure, god, and every single dead relative(that isn't in hell, that is)are in heaven, watching your every move. seriously? what a fucking joke! everyone fucks up, some are strong enough to learn from them and become better for it, others keep fucking up. either way there is no crazy bearded dude in the sky waiting to pass judgment upon your soul. you live here, on earth, and chances are when you die, that's it. and if any belief is correct, based upon the simple observation of the way things work here on earth, you will be recycled, you;ll be a fertilizer for some new form of life to grow,and if we're really lucky we'll come back as some other form of life. but to think that there is a(and it must be huge, and fucking overpopulated) place like heaven, or even hell awaiting us is the dumbest fucking thing I've heard in my life! do what will make you and those around you happy, if you're being a good person to get into heaven, then you're probably gonna fail! its easy, live your life the best you can, be decent, have fun, and for fucks sake, quit living in fear of something that doesn't exist!

and just for fuck's sake, if there is a god, it's definitely nothing like the image we have of him. if god, the creator of everything is real, he's gotta be a really cool guy, and definitely wont give a shit about you smackin around your wiener!
if you wanna beat it, then beat it. no harm no foul.





There is a God, indeed. The reason we humans thirst, is because there is water. The reason we hunger, is because there is food. If you walk into a forest and notice a watch on the ground, do you think that watch came from no where? Of course not. It came from man. Man created watches etc, and God created man.

There is no way that God does not exist. He is as real as you are. Look around you. How can all of this be chance? HOW CAN ALL OF THIS BE CHANCE?? Look at the precision of design in everything. Look at how magnificant everything is. How do you explain prayer? Prayer works wonders. I have never met a person who prays to God regularly, and BELIEVES IN HIM 100%, who does not have a strong, firm grounding and strength and zest for life.

Here's some food for thought.

WE now know that the sun is running out of energy. One day, it will completely burn out. You can use an analogy of the sun, to a tank of gas in a car. IF you put gas in the tank and use up the energy, it will eventually run out. But who put the gas in? BINGO, Man. Apply this same thing to the sun. DO you believe the sun literally popped out of nowhere? (just BOOM, a big huge flaming ball of fire, that does not move from it's position at all, and just happens to be the source of all life and creates the mean for existence on planet earth.) No. THat's like saying the gas just came from nowhere. It did not just come from no where...IT WAS CREATED.

It is said that people who have very strong oppositions to the reality of their being a God, usually have had very bad relationships with their fathers. Just thought I throw that out there....

If you have read any of the Bible, such as chapters like the book of Acts, Job, Proverbs, and Psalms...and you take to heart what the scriptures say, you would know There is a God, wonderful, magnificant, awesome and loving God who created you, me and everyone else.

I understand that you already have solidified your belief that he is not real. That is fine. To each his own. But for me, I have realized, that I cannot possibly be the best person I can be, without a relationship with God. Accepting God into my life, has been the greatest decision I ever made in my life hands down.

:peace: & :heart:



why do you refer to god as he? If god were anything it would be energy. Ive heard of male and female energies but i dont think theyre talking about penii and vaginas.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: proud_republican]
    #10060707 - 03/28/09 03:55 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

Dude if god didn't want us to spank it we wouldn't have the ability in the first place.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #10060858 - 03/28/09 04:29 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

Beating off and porn are sins.  Shitting is also a sin.

Y'know, if you believe in that sort of thing..


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #10060968 - 03/28/09 04:54 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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IrSotallyTober said:
i feel truly sad for any person who subjects them self to live within the restraints of a mythical omnipotent being who was made up by retarded men a long ass time ago to steal money and freedom from the even more retarded general population of the time. THERE IS NO GOD, GOD IS A SECURITY BLANKET FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T STRONG ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH SHIT ON THEIR OWN. sure, god, and every single dead relative(that isn't in hell, that is)are in heaven, watching your every move. seriously? what a fucking joke! everyone fucks up, some are strong enough to learn from them and become better for it, others keep fucking up. either way there is no crazy bearded dude in the sky waiting to pass judgment upon your soul. you live here, on earth, and chances are when you die, that's it. and if any belief is correct, based upon the simple observation of the way things work here on earth, you will be recycled, you;ll be a fertilizer for some new form of life to grow,and if we're really lucky we'll come back as some other form of life. but to think that there is a(and it must be huge, and fucking overpopulated) place like heaven, or even hell awaiting us is the dumbest fucking thing I've heard in my life! do what will make you and those around you happy, if you're being a good person to get into heaven, then you're probably gonna fail! its easy, live your life the best you can, be decent, have fun, and for fucks sake, quit living in fear of something that doesn't exist!

and just for fuck's sake, if there is a god, it's definitely nothing like the image we have of him. if god, the creator of everything is real, he's gotta be a really cool guy, and definitely wont give a shit about you smackin around your wiener!
if you wanna beat it, then beat it. no harm no foul.





There is a God, indeed. The reason we humans thirst, is because there is water. The reason we hunger, is because there is food. If you walk into a forest and notice a watch on the ground, do you think that watch came from no where? Of course not. It came from man. Man created watches etc, and God created man.

There is no way that God does not exist. He is as real as you are. Look around you. How can all of this be chance? HOW CAN ALL OF THIS BE CHANCE?? Look at the precision of design in everything. Look at how magnificant everything is. How do you explain prayer? Prayer works wonders. I have never met a person who prays to God regularly, and BELIEVES IN HIM 100%, who does not have a strong, firm grounding and strength and zest for life.

Here's some food for thought.

WE now know that the sun is running out of energy. One day, it will completely burn out. You can use an analogy of the sun, to a tank of gas in a car. IF you put gas in the tank and use up the energy, it will eventually run out. But who put the gas in? BINGO, Man. Apply this same thing to the sun. DO you believe the sun literally popped out of nowhere? (just BOOM, a big huge flaming ball of fire, that does not move from it's position at all, and just happens to be the source of all life and creates the mean for existence on planet earth.) No. THat's like saying the gas just came from nowhere. It did not just come from no where...IT WAS CREATED.

It is said that people who have very strong oppositions to the reality of their being a God, usually have had very bad relationships with their fathers. Just thought I throw that out there....

If you have read any of the Bible, such as chapters like the book of Acts, Job, Proverbs, and Psalms...and you take to heart what the scriptures say, you would know There is a God, wonderful, magnificant, awesome and loving God who created you, me and everyone else.

I understand that you already have solidified your belief that he is not real. That is fine. To each his own. But for me, I have realized, that I cannot possibly be the best person I can be, without a relationship with God. Accepting God into my life, has been the greatest decision I ever made in my life hands down.

:peace: & :heart:



wow
was that copy and pasted or do you jsut have a prtty ok ememory

god is a word
and an idea
you make it

so you destroy it

whoever "taht" or "it" is

if it is a who

you arnt gonna be able to name "it"


dont flatter/fool yourself


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: notapillow]
    #10061129 - 03/28/09 05:33 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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There is no way that God does not exist. He is as real as you are. Look around you. How can all of this be chance? HOW CAN ALL OF THIS BE CHANCE??




I hate that line of thinking. I think random chance can produce amazing results.

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #10062360 - 03/28/09 08:47 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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Nobody cares what you think...:shrug:


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: sandman_130]
    #10062398 - 03/28/09 08:53 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

actually, i :rofl: at that post earlier. and you obviously care or you would've just let it go considering nobody else had a response to it.

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: uber_aj]
    #10062433 - 03/28/09 08:58 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

Yeah i didn't say shit cause ive seen it so many times, very funny/true none the less.  sandman is a jesus loving queer.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: DeathCompany]
    #10062445 - 03/28/09 08:59 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)







funny stuff.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: DeathCompany]
    #10062492 - 03/28/09 09:07 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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Yeah i didn't say shit cause ive seen it so many times, very funny/true none the less.  sandman is a jesus loving queer.





you sound like you are going far in life....


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: uber_aj]
    #10062516 - 03/28/09 09:11 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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actually, i :rofl: at that post earlier. and you obviously care or you would've just let it go considering nobody else had a response to it.




The point of view was not needed here.

The OP is a christian, you atheist's always have to come in and belittle us like your better?

Alot of people on this site make atheists look stupid and immature. And sadly, most of them are.

To me it sounds like your all bored and lonely. Stay out of threads with people of any faith in it unless you have something useful to say. Have respect for your fellow man.

I have friends who are athiest. They respect my beliefs and I respect theirs. We debate often in a mature matter.

Not once would they ever act in the tone of people on this site. You all are destroying your own cause.



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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: sandman_130]
    #10062546 - 03/28/09 09:14 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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Yeah i didn't say shit cause ive seen it so many times, very funny/true none the less.  sandman is a jesus loving queer.





you sound like you are going far in life....






Yeah too bad I don't have my own imaginary friend to show me the way.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #10062621 - 03/28/09 09:23 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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How do you explain prayer? Prayer works wonders. I have never met a person who prays to God regularly, and BELIEVES IN HIM 100%, who does not have a strong, firm grounding and strength and zest for life.

Here's some food for thought.

DO you believe the sun literally popped out of nowhere?






Prayer easy. Think of it like taking a placebo.

Wiki Def: "The placebo effect is a medical phenomenon where the results of a medical treatment are affected by the patient's ideas about how effective the treatment is. The term is especially used when a patient responds dramatically to a physiologically inactive treatment. Inactive treatments used to induce the placebo effect are called placebos; inert "sugar" pills and sham surgeries are typical examples."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

Basically view it as a state of mind if you believe it works then you imagine that it is working. And Religion is the sugar pill.

The sun didn't form out of no where a bunch of gasses and particles slowly clumped together and started burning as the result of gravity pulling them together. Maybe it was the friction that started the sun Burning.

On that note just jerk it already LOL. :grin:

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: sandman_130]
    #10062650 - 03/28/09 09:29 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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uber_aj said:
actually, i :rofl: at that post earlier. and you obviously care or you would've just let it go considering nobody else had a response to it.




The point of view was not needed here.

The OP is a christian, you atheist's always have to come in and belittle us like your better?

Alot of people on this site make atheists look stupid and immature. And sadly, most of them are.

To me it sounds like your all bored and lonely. Stay out of threads with people of any faith in it unless you have something useful to say. Have respect for your fellow man.

I have friends who are athiest. They respect my beliefs and I respect theirs. We debate often in a mature matter.

Not once would they ever act in the tone of people on this site. You all are destroying your own cause.





atheists are full of shit ass holes

just like christians

and musims

dont get me started on those ass faced pagans and daoists


hey how about we just all shut up and realise we arnt doing anything to help each other in this thread
we are all people
and therfore we are more or less pretty damn shitty, and at the same time pretty much the most beautiful thing we can see refected around us.



so...

shut up
one and all


honesty i think it will be better

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #10062692 - 03/28/09 09:36 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

Lust, as you may know, is a cardinal sin, meaning that while it may not always be destructive in and of itself, it is to be avoided because of the many and manifold sins it often leads to; adultery, fornication, sexual assault, abortion, to name a few.  Since masturbation and pornography both increase lust, they can only be lustful acts themselves, and so are also to be avoided.

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: mofo]
    #10062705 - 03/28/09 09:37 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

no, you are


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: notapillow]
    #10062732 - 03/28/09 09:42 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

hey, that hurt my feelings :crying:

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: proud_republican]
    #10062799 - 03/28/09 09:52 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

Eph 5:3 (NIV) But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people

Matt 5:28-29 (NIV) [Jesus:] "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

1Th 4:2-8 (NIV) For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God... For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.

Ro 6:13 (NIV) Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: mofo]
    #10062819 - 03/28/09 09:54 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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Lust, as you may know, is a cardinal sin, meaning that while it may not always be destructive in and of itself, it is to be avoided because of the many and manifold sins it often leads to; adultery, fornication, sexual assault, abortion, to name a few.  Since masturbation and pornography both increase lust, they can only be lustful acts themselves, and so are also to be avoided.




:thumbup:

You make a very good point. It is a natural urge, but in other ways if you walked in on someone watching porn it wouldn't look natural at all. But rather disturbing. I think anyone can tell the difference after you have sex, and after you masturbate.

After sex - you feel great, happy and energized.
After porn - not so great, you loose your spiritually energy,

It is an endless road, it is the satisfying of an addiction that can never be satisfied. It can be very hard to quit, and the first step is realizing why it is wrong.

If you believe in a heaven, then you must assume that things of this nature should not be present in this place. It is best to fight these urges now, rather than later.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: sandman_130]
    #10062830 - 03/28/09 09:56 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

this conversation is offending me
take it to otd guys


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: notapillow]
    #10062908 - 03/28/09 10:14 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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this conversation is offending me
take it to otd guys




To each his own.

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: sandman_130]
    #10063053 - 03/28/09 10:42 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

your use of the word stoke makes me feel uncomfortable

you really need to learn to respect others sexual bounderies man


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: notapillow]
    #10063097 - 03/28/09 10:50 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

yeah porn doesnt do anything for me anymore i have had to much hardcore sex. any who porn totally doesnt really have love in it for the most part and its kidna odd unless youre watching porn made by people that love you for you or something and thats just really werid cause if they would make a porn for you they probally would just have sex with you or something


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    #10063109 - 03/28/09 10:52 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: thedudenj]
    #10063139 - 03/28/09 10:57 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

nice swastika nj :lol:

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    #10063144 - 03/28/09 10:57 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: mofo]
    #10063237 - 03/28/09 11:13 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

yeah werd thanks i think those things are awesome. but really i think sex with out love is just a mockery for what it is tho , i think any thing is these days i mainly deal only with people that love me its a unique life i have a few lovers and the lady ones say that im someone that isnt a lover but a person to be loved cause im jus so awesome i dunno what that means but what ever.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: Phish_Dude]
    #10063665 - 03/29/09 12:52 AM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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Dude if god didn't want us to spank it we wouldn't have the ability in the first place.




:what:
You've got to be kidding me. that's like saying if God didn't want us to murder others, he would not give a man the ability to do so...:rolleyes:

I thank mofo and sandman for they are the only ones that have really contributed positively to this thread.

I also notice in my experience with the shroomery, athiests rarely have much to say worth listening to and taking seriously. I kind of feel like most athiests don't believe in God because they continually screw up their lives by doing so much wrong...then don't see the possibility of there being a God because "if their were a God why would he put me through this? Why would he do this to me? Why is my life this and that...."

Come to think of it, I've rarely heard of a very successful, loving athiest...coincidence? :shrug:(i don't think so)


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #10063695 - 03/29/09 12:59 AM (15 years, 3 days ago)

I think the good lord can forgive some porn use. Honestly......its healthy to relieve some sexual tension. however If you jack off to another man's wife, thats probably not good. If you jack off to child porn.....probably not good. If you jack off to some random chick......who ya harming?

I do see where the bible is going with this whole sex notion though. Look at all the guys who are on catch a predator. Obviously this is an extreme, but their victimless masturbation could have lead to some serious shit. The human place is one of desire, and to feed fuel into the fire wont make it stop. Its all about what fire your feeding....ya know :shrug:


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #10063774 - 03/29/09 01:16 AM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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Phish_Dude said:
Dude if god didn't want us to spank it we wouldn't have the ability in the first place.




:what:
You've got to be kidding me. that's like saying if God didn't want us to murder others, he would not give a man the ability to do so...:rolleyes:

I thank mofo and sandman for they are the only ones that have really contributed positively to this thread.

I also notice in my experience with the shroomery, athiests rarely have much to say worth listening to and taking seriously. I kind of feel like most athiests don't believe in God because they continually screw up their lives by doing so much wrong...then don't see the possibility of there being a God because "if their were a God why would he put me through this? Why would he do this to me? Why is my life this and that...."

Come to think of it, I've rarely heard of a very successful, loving athiest...coincidence? :shrug:(i don't think so)



retarted


really...fucking...retarted

whole thread
...
go away
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i bet this whole deal is gonna make the next time you jerk it kinda akward huh?


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #10063831 - 03/29/09 01:28 AM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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hoopershroomer said:
Quote:

Phish_Dude said:
Dude if god didn't want us to spank it we wouldn't have the ability in the first place.




:what:
You've got to be kidding me. that's like saying if God didn't want us to murder others, he would not give a man the ability to do so...:rolleyes:

I thank mofo and sandman for they are the only ones that have really contributed positively to this thread.

I also notice in my experience with the shroomery, athiests rarely have much to say worth listening to and taking seriously. I kind of feel like most athiests don't believe in God because they continually screw up their lives by doing so much wrong...then don't see the possibility of there being a God because "if their were a God why would he put me through this? Why would he do this to me? Why is my life this and that...."

Come to think of it, I've rarely heard of a very successful, loving athiest...coincidence? :shrug:(i don't think so)




I actually agree with your point and like your perspective. 5 shrooms are in order


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: hoopershroomer]
    #10063838 - 03/29/09 01:29 AM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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hoopershroomer said:
I also notice in my experience with the shroomery, athiests rarely have much to say worth listening to and taking seriously. I kind of feel like most athiests don't believe in God because they continually screw up their lives by doing so much wrong...then don't see the possibility of there being a God because "if their were a God why would he put me through this? Why would he do this to me? Why is my life this and that...."

Come to think of it, I've rarely heard of a very successful, loving athiest...coincidence? :shrug:(i don't think so)




God, your opinion sucks.


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: wildchild68]
    #10063878 - 03/29/09 01:37 AM (15 years, 3 days ago)

no
opinions suck

brining them into a conversation about the divine is fucking inane kindergarden shit.

this thread is one big ego diddling fest


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: wildchild68]
    #10063907 - 03/29/09 01:46 AM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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wildchild68 said:
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hoopershroomer said:
I also notice in my experience with the shroomery, athiests rarely have much to say worth listening to and taking seriously. I kind of feel like most athiests don't believe in God because they continually screw up their lives by doing so much wrong...then don't see the possibility of there being a God because "if their were a God why would he put me through this? Why would he do this to me? Why is my life this and that...."

Come to think of it, I've rarely heard of a very successful, loving athiest...coincidence? :shrug:(i don't think so)




God, your opinion sucks.



Its a philosophy he has......we all have them, and if you have no essence of faith your a monster! :sad:


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Re: masterbation and porn [Re: Almond Flour]
    #10063925 - 03/29/09 01:50 AM (15 years, 3 days ago)

monsters is chill folk yo


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