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 Re: war in Afghanistan and opiate usage  [Re: zappaisgod]
#10054251 - 03/27/09 02:53 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
Dincha know? It's Ythan. I was so mean to Ron Paul that he Permabanned me. This did not go over real well with some, but not all, of the people here so he was petitioned for leniency. Because that was insane. When I came back I renewed my onslaught on Paulian retardation and he apparently decided he couldn't bear to read it. If ya can't, well then, ya can't. A man's gotta know his limitations.
Top that, bitch.
That's pretty wild.
What I like about being on ignore is you can respond to any of their posts and it looks like your point is so well taken they have to ignore it or lose face. 
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Re: war in Afghanistan and opiate usage [Re: Ythan]
#10054253 - 03/27/09 02:53 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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Ythan said:
Dude get over yourself, I haven't been ignoring you for months and I deal with bigger assholes every day.
Now how would I know that? There was even a recent thread in WA&F specifically addressing this exact question, i.e. Who are you ignoring? Since you didn't chirp up I figured I was still The One, as did Redstorm, I think. Exxxxxcuuuuuuz me for thinking I was The One. So, who is the current exalted that you can't deal with?
Are you sure you deal with bigger assholes than me? Every day?
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Re: war in Afghanistan and opiate usage [Re: Ythan]
#10054262 - 03/27/09 02:55 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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Ythan said:
Dude get over yourself, I haven't been ignoring you for months and I deal with bigger assholes every day.
How is your mother in law?
And who's Ron Paul?
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: war in Afghanistan and opiate usage [Re: Yrat]
#10054492 - 03/27/09 03:30 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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jesus christ this thread has gone off course.
anyway.
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Yrat said:
i've read that when the taliban came to power, they reduced afghanistan's opium production from 90% of the world's supply down to about 5% by 2000.
and waddya know, the US gets right in there soon after. I think by about 2002, under US control, production was back up to something like 95% of global production. and if the US really wanted to keep such a drug trade under control, this number would be damn close to zero, such as during taliban control.
these numbers can make you think twice about covert ops and CIA black budgets. was afghanistan invaded to re-establish this source of income?
i don't think there is malfeasance per-se involved here - eg, i don't think the incentive for going to war with the taliban was to reinstate the heroin trade there. i think it is just a side-effect of cozying up with various warlords to gain some semblance of control in that region of the world.
do you have a source for the numbers you've quoted? i've heard them too, but would like to see some actual data...
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Re: war in afghanistan and opiate usage [Re: Krishna]
#10054513 - 03/27/09 03:33 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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As a somewhat tangent to the original post, I was reading about the monumental failure of the ethanol shenanigans. Apparently it was raising the prices of the crops used to make it that many farmers who prior had been cultivating opium had moved to these crops with inflated prices.
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Re: war in afghanistan and opiate usage [Re: Redstorm]
#10060413 - 03/28/09 03:08 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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i think i read somewhere that most of the worlds supply of opium comes from afghanistan.
i think covert agencies or the CIA are and have been exploiting afghan poppy production to export and sell illegal drugs around the world to fund black budget projects. Britain and america did it in the mid-nineteenth century and it was profitable then, why should now be different?
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Re: war in afghanistan and opiate usage [Re: Redstorm]
#10060550 - 03/28/09 03:32 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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ethanol is a great idea 
haven't they seen delicatessen? don't they know what happens when you start to use food as currency?
om nom nom
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Re: war in afghanistan and opiate usage [Re: Krishna]
#10060641 - 03/28/09 03:46 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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I'll try to find that article for you. I read it in The Economist a little while back.
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Krishna
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Re: war in afghanistan and opiate usage [Re: Redstorm]
#10060907 - 03/28/09 04:41 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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not the article you're talking about (do post a link, i couldn't find it), but it looks like the golden triangle is back
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Re: war in Afghanistan and opiate usage [Re: zappaisgod]
#10060984 - 03/28/09 04:58 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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exactly what parts of dr. paul's platform do you disagree with? just curious..
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Re: war in Afghanistan and opiate usage [Re: MistaUNGA]
#10061148 - 03/28/09 05:39 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Mostly isolationism and his daft nonsense about the NAFTA super highway. I am also rather disturbed about his close ties to raving bigoted lunatics like Lew Rockwell. For more on my take on Ron Paul feel free to search through all the posts I have made. I am not going through it again, he is a marginal amusement now.
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Re: war in Afghanistan and opiate usage [Re: zappaisgod]
#10062938 - 03/28/09 10:18 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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We should just legalize it so we can produce our own poppies for Rx/
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Re: war in Afghanistan and opiate usage [Re: Ythan]
#10069326 - 03/29/09 07:32 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Ythan said:
Dude get over yourself, I haven't been ignoring you for months and I deal with bigger assholes every day.
I've missed this place so badly... 
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I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!
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Re: war in afghanistan and opiate usage [Re: Krishna]
#10069557 - 03/29/09 08:01 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Don't know if this is much help (probably not - based on memory) but...
I was watching a documentary on Heroin on the science channel and they touched on this very subject. Since 9-11 heroin usage in the US has gone up due to the fact that the government / military in Afghanistan / Iraq / That Part of the World had bigger fish to fry than heroin. So it was easier (not easy but easier) to get heroin out of their country and into others, with one of those others being the US thus increasing heroin availability in US which led to an increase of its use.
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