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PanamaFred
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Low Dose Tropane Alkaloid Experiments
#10042353 - 03/25/09 10:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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So anyone who can operate a search engine probably discovered that daturas were nothing but trouble. But then they sat in the back of our minds for years as we experimented with other things and now we've carefully tested the waters. So instead of hijacking the "herbal blend thread", lets discuss our low dose experiences with tropane alkaloids. Too drunk to adequatley describe much now, just starting the thread. And don't hesitate to share your high dose experiences either. I've got about 200 hundred seeds, a few empty seed pods, and many dried flowers. Lets see where they can take us!
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Re: Low Dose Tropane Alkaloid Experiments [Re: PanamaFred]
#10042406 - 03/25/09 10:24 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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When he was young, a friend of mine took 5-10 seeds in a tea (may have been more) and started seeing monsters from this movie called Pumpkinhead. He ran home and hid under the covers of his bed until he sobered up.
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PanamaFred
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Re: Low Dose Tropane Alkaloid Experiments [Re: BuggingOUT]
#10042433 - 03/25/09 10:29 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's interesting... I thought that common doses of the seeds ranged from 200-400? But I just checked erowid and they have removed all of the dosage information, is it that unpredictable?
5-10 seeds and 400 seeds is a big difference
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Re: Low Dose Tropane Alkaloid Experiments [Re: PanamaFred]
#10042435 - 03/25/09 10:29 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here's my highest dose experience with Stramonium:
The Entrée:
25 finely chewed seeds of Datura Stramonium, aged to racemize the hyoscyamine to atropine and the scopolamine to atroscine. Each seed is roughly 7-8 mgs, but alkaloid content of each seed varies too much to be consistent. 2 bowls of Blueberry Kush, cured to decarboxylate the THCA, and smoked approximately two hours after ingestion of the Datura.
I eye the small cluster of black, teardrop-shaped seeds in the palm of my hand with a mix of apprehension and usual pre-trip anxiety. They taste bitter with a hint of an earthy bite; not bad by any means but the hard husks get stuck in my teeth. I chew well and let the mass sit in my mouth for a few minutes to aid any sublingual absorption, and prepare to joyously delve into the bowels of torment and despair.
The Trip:
Eyes closed, pitch blackness. A sense of evil, a seductively malevolent vibe. Apprehension as the gears of my perspective slowly creak into the lower planes. Streaking spirals of light, growing brighter and brighter until... suddenly, break through. People and landscapes in perfect clarity as if I were watching through an invisible camera. A man turns towards his wife before stabbing her violently in the back. He rips the peeling flesh from her body as insects suddenly pour out. Cut. A pool of blood, undulating with red waves. Body parts falling in, silently splashing. No sound whatsoever to these visions. Cut. A wolf, black eyes, digging into an unidentifiable corpse. Strings of meat are dangling between its teeth. Cut. Many scenes of erotica, usually ending in gory climax. My skull is but a padded cell, the walls of which my inner demons bounce off. Themes of sadomasochism, violence punctuated by guilty pleasure. I hear sounds of sheer chaos. Screams, thumps. Dragging noises. Someone calling my name, louder, and louder. A gentle hiss and a bump. Cut. Spiders. Lots of spiders, pouring through the cracks of reality as if puncturing through this thin veil of ordinary life. I feel things gently running over my body. I don't open my eyes. Cut. Swinging bodies on nooses, burning. Fire, blood dripping as maggots squirm into the quivering flesh. I am carrying on a conversation with something, but I do not know what. My mind echoes with distorted fragments of meaning; snippets of grand truth ripped from this primeval chaos. Lots of blood. Death. Churning corpses being flayed. Rotating scenes of razor-sharp blades dissecting through my mind. I contemplate the nature of fear in all its manifestations--here there is true, unmitigated terror. A woman reaches back and rips the top part of her skull off; a horde of black moths flies out. I hear the whispering voices of angels. Cut.
I lift my eyelids and stare into the darkness of my room to find relief from the torrential deluge of demonic imagery. My wall is covered with crawling black things. Posters and my pull up bar, dimly seen in the nonexistent light, are bending at absurd angles and then popping back to their rightful shape. Swarms of gnats have infested my room, making the darkness heavier with their presence. The wall shudders as its cracks begin to disgorge countless more denizens of the shadows. I have welcomed in the eldritch beasties of the night, and I'm here to pay them homage. I close my eyes again, and sink further into the welcome depths of Hell itself.
The Aftermath:
From the intense effects that I was experiencing (including open-eyed visuals, auditory hallucinations, and a quite intense mental trip), I expected that I had ingested too much of the tropane alkaloids and that I would undergo the typical three-day delirium that comes with an overdose. However, I woke up the next morning feeling nothing but refreshed and revived with fresh exhilaration. There was also no anticholinergic loss of cognitive faculties during the experience, which I usually feel under high doses of diphenhydramine and the like. My best guess is that marijuana synergizes wonderfully with the Datura plant (in India the combination of smoking Datura Metel with Cannabis is supposed to unify Shiva, the male spirit, with Shakti, the female spirit), and that this combination allowed me to experience a form of divinatory visions and open-eyed deliria without being overly toxic or long-lasting.
I would not recommend this combination to anyone without first starting at low doses of 1 or 2 seeds and working your way up gradually with much time in between the doses. Datura is known to stress the cardiovascular system, and the combination with marijuana can put a great toll on the heart. Combine carefully and with low amounts. Silent meditation in the dark is good for best results, but I've also been able to use Stramonium before sleep for lucid dreaming purposes. Typically the trips manifest with an air of seductive evil, bloodshed, and death to them--things that I greatly enjoy as an alternative to the clichéd puppies and flowers atmosphere of most traditional psychedelics.
Tread the tropane waters carefully. Here there be demons.
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Re: Low Dose Tropane Alkaloid Experiments [Re: PanamaFred]
#10042446 - 03/25/09 10:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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400 seeds and you're in serious trouble for a couple days.
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Re: Low Dose Tropane Alkaloid Experiments [Re: BuggingOUT]
#10043129 - 03/26/09 12:11 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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avoid seeds stick with leaves and flowers. preferably fresh
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Re: Low Dose Tropane Alkaloid Experiments [Re: thedudenj]
#10043444 - 03/26/09 01:36 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do NOT eat four hundred seeds.
You WILL suffer PERMANENT damage, if you don't outright kill yourself.
Be aware that datura is not in any way a psychedelic. You aren't going to see neat patterns or beautiful colors, and you probably won't have any life-changing revelations. At the best, you'll have people who aren't there talking to you while you continuously search for a bong or bag of weed that keeps disappearing as you hold it in your hands. At worst, you'll get very intimate with your own fear.
Datura is a great way to confront fear and explore the darkest corners of your mind, if you're willing to accept the great risk involved. I would judge your readiness to use it with your ability to keep yourself together on a high dose of psychedelics. If you could, say, do something *very* important while having a bad trip, like tell an ambulance driver where your dying mother's oxygen tank just broke, you're *probably* going to have an easier time keeping your head on straight and not losing your mind while on Datura, than someone who goes into the shitter and pisses their pants all night the second they get a high dose in them.
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Re: Low Dose Tropane Alkaloid Experiments [Re: WornTraveler]
#10043447 - 03/26/09 01:39 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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there is a brugsmania trip report in my journal
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PanamaFred
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Re: Low Dose Tropane Alkaloid Experiments [Re: WornTraveler]
#10047116 - 03/26/09 04:25 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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WornTraveler said: If you could, say, do something *very* important while having a bad trip, like tell an ambulance driver where your dying mother's oxygen tank just broke, you're *probably* going to have an easier time keeping your head on straight and not losing your mind while on Datura, than someone who goes into the shitter and pisses their pants all night the second they get a high dose in them.
Nice description/warning man. Most of the reports on Erowid say they would eat one or two seed pods worth. Always figured there was about a hundred or two seeds in there. And I guess most of those reports end up in the Trainwreck/Disaster column anyways. I had a friend who ate 200 and he wouldn't tell me what happened. All he said was that he ran across tree tops for years. He got pretty wierd after that experience. I could've sworn there was a time when erowid had 400 seeds as the highest dose on some chart, like they do all drugs. Guess it was a good thing they took that down.
Decypher, that is one amazing experience you outlined. How critical do you find the seed drying to be to the experience? I've had these seeds for three years now . And what did you do to bring about these dark visions? Did you need to meditate and focus, or did the drug just grab you? When did you burn your pot?
I ate a small handful of fresh seeds once, years ago, smoked plenty of ganja all night and got extremely high, but I never attributed it to the seeds, thinking I had taken a tenth of a strong dose. Anyways I get to this cafe and it hits me. It's midnight and the place is just fucking packed. Swarms of people all over, no room to walk, having to jump out of people's way. It was just a storm of people. I stood there, in awe of all the people for about 10 minutes. I tried to eat a hot wing and realized my mouth was very dry, remembering all the experience reports I realized that the datura must've been affecting me at this point. I panic a little bit. All of a sudden, out of the people swarm comes this guy with one arm. I remember very distinctly this ghastly formation of bone and skin where is forearm would be. Thinking it was a hallucination I stared open mouthed, amazed at this little Satan nub... untill he asked me to move because I was standing in front of the bread. One armed man was real I guess Felt bad for staring... Went back home with this girl (I'm pretty sure she was actually there), she never smoked pot and was very straight laced and all of a sudden she wanted to smoke and I was getting romantic vibes off of her. She was very drunk and I wasn't quite proper myself so I take her back and grab the bong. However there is no pot, but since she is completely naive to the whole thing we "smoke about ten bowls" except I never packed anything in them at all! It was funny because it reminded me of the infamous "datura ciggarette" except with weed, and it was occurring to a drunk person while a datura-mind perpetuated it- HA! Long story slightly more drawn out... pass out with this girl and a couple hours later I wake up with a concrete version of the girl I had been smoking empty bong bowls with;she's stroking my dick vigorously untill I come and fall asleep. A few hours later she breaks me from sleep for a second to tell me she was leaving. Seems all to be a dream. I never asked her if this really happened or not, too embarrassing I guess...
I can see how this shit would get really nuts at high levels. It's too bad I took the seeds in such a setting, in retrospect I feel like maybe something real far out would've happened if I had just laid down in a dark room.
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Re: Low Dose Tropane Alkaloid Experiments [Re: PanamaFred]
#10047206 - 03/26/09 04:37 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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PanamaFred said: How critical do you find the seed drying to be to the experience? I've had these seeds for three years now .
Aging or boiling for racemization isn't absolutely necessary, but it does appear to lessen the annoying peripheral side effects of tropanes like drymouth or increase in body temperature. Three years should be plenty.
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PanamaFred said: And what did you do to bring about these dark visions? Did you need to meditate and focus, or did the drug just grab you? When did you burn your pot?
I waited a couple hours after taking the Datura on an empty stomach before burning a couple bowls. Meditation and a clear mind are really all you need; the visions appear in the mind's eye rather like remote viewing as experienced on dissociatives such as DXM. Shit gets truly nuts, I agree.
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Re: Low Dose Tropane Alkaloid Experiments [Re: PanamaFred]
#10047624 - 03/26/09 05:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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in retrospect I feel like maybe something real far out would've happened if I had just laid down in a dark room.
It sounds like something more far out happened when made a night on the town out of it.
You got a handy!
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