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Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes)
#10046525 - 03/26/09 02:44 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Which casing layer type is most useful/suitable for cubes? Especially pro growers, please answer... Straight verm? Verm+coir? Peatmoss mixture? Anything else? Nothing?
Thanks a lot.
Edited by Carcass (03/26/09 03:11 PM)
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: Carcass]
#10046712 - 03/26/09 03:17 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Guys?
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: Carcass]
#10046740 - 03/26/09 03:21 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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i hear 50/50 mix is best
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: Carcass]
#10046768 - 03/26/09 03:25 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Carcass said: Which casing layer type is most useful/suitable for cubes?
No casing. At all.
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: BaKeRx561x420]
#10046785 - 03/26/09 03:27 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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wether its better or not is still in question actually just looked at some 1s log today and he tested it and the cased actually did better
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: SillyBilly]
#10046834 - 03/26/09 03:33 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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This link is a great source. RogerRabbit and other respectful growers answered. I guess I'm gonna apply peatmoss or straight verm casing...
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: Carcass]
#10046868 - 03/26/09 03:39 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't use a casing layer - take your colonized substrate and mix it up with a spawning substrate, like coir/verm/coffee. But a casing layer isn't needed.
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: Carcass]
#10046877 - 03/26/09 03:40 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well I'm no pro grower, But from from I've read, and IMO, just vermiculite is all you will need for pf cakes. just do the double ended casing tek. (DEC tek) If you're planning on crumbling the cakes to a casing, then all I can say is that many growers don't recommend doing that at all...With BRF cakes at least. Take Fahtster's advice...."My advice would be to keep the cakes intact and do a DEC'ing after a dunk. You can roll them if you want, but I don't usually point people in that direction... it's up to you." That quote came from this thread... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9944998#9944998
Basically there is a WIDE range of opinions on this matter, but most people seem to just stick with a dunk and roll with vermiculite, or nothing at all. Many trusted growers say that there isn't that much of a difference in yield between crumbling the cakes to a casing or just dunk/rolling.
Now if you really want to crumble the cakes and do casing layers, Then i guess i would recommend 50/50 verm/coir, because I hear about that method the most. I'm not recommending that out of experience though.
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: Carcass]
#10046884 - 03/26/09 03:41 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you actually want to apply a casing and wait another week for pins, then do RR's 50/50 plus casing tek. But P.cubensis don't need one and you'll harvest sooner without one.
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Casing tek
Measure the appropriate amount of dry peat moss for your application. For the first few times you make up casing mix, you’ll just have to take an educated guess as to how much to prepare, then add or subtract from that amount as needed for future projects.
Place the dry peat into a large bowl, five gallon bucket, wheelbarrow, etc., depending on amount. Leave room for the quantity to double, and still allow space to stir. Break up the dry peat very well. There should be no chunks when you get finished, having carefully broken up the peat until it’s all the same consistency. To each cup of peat moss, add one teaspoon of hydrated horticultural lime, and one to two tablespoons of gypsum. Certain species can benefit from two tablespoons or even more of gypsum per cup, so don’t be afraid to experiment, up to ten percent of the amount of peat.
Mix these dry ingredients together well. After mixing, slowly add water to the mix, stirring constantly. Add moisture until field capacity is achieved. I define field capacity as being reached when you can pick up a handful of the mix and no water drips out. If you squeeze lightly a few drops will come out, and if you squeeze very hard, a small rivulet or stream will flow out. Remember, the peat will not absorb all the water at once, so when you reach field capacity, let the mix sit for ten minutes and check again. Chances are, you’ll have to add more moisture.
In a separate bowl, place an equal amount by volume of vermiculite. Fill the bowl with water so the vermiculite begins to float a bit. Turn the bowl over and allow all the water to drain off. A fine mesh strainer works well for larger amounts.
Mix the moistened vermiculite with the moistened peat/lime/gypsum very well and pasteurize at 140F to 160F for one hour. Use as soon as it’s cooled. If you don’t use it all, it’s best to discard or use for your houseplants. Make a fresh batch every time for best results. RR
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: BaKeRx561x420]
#10048351 - 03/26/09 07:21 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: Blutjager]
#10086170 - 04/01/09 09:59 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not gonna wait for an extra week. I won't apply casing layer.
PS. I put too much coir substrate on grains somewhere. And the coir pieces were hard so i picked some of them with my hand. Of course with well-cleaned hands.
Edited by Carcass (04/01/09 10:03 AM)
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: Blutjager]
#10086343 - 04/01/09 10:38 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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If that Miracle Grow shit has nutrients in it then it shouldn't be used as a casing. Casing layers are not supposed to contain nutrients or it will act as a substrate and colonize.
Check out Jiffy Mix Seed Starter:
Edited by NineInchNails (04/01/09 10:38 AM)
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: NineInchNails]
#10086799 - 04/01/09 12:02 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Never read the ingredients in it and I don't have any on hand to look.I'm only growing oysters right now and they need no casing (Actually neither do cubes although I always liked casing them)I will say this,when I did use to case cubes it almost never contaminated on me ever and it was the only thing I would use now if I went back to growing something that I wanted to case.Pasteurize and apply,pretty simple and sure as hell beats tracking down and putting together your own ingredients when there is stuff ready right from the bag.I have never used(Or even seen) that jiffy mix but they have the MGMC everywhere and I'm guessing they are pretty similar
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: scoops]
#10086878 - 04/01/09 12:20 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Now if you really want to crumble the cakes and do casing layers, Then i guess i would recommend 50/50 verm/coir, because I hear about that method the most. I'm not recommending that out of experience though.
DO NOT case with coir. Basic 50/50 is the standard, thats 50% verm and 50% sphagnum peat. People out there have 50/50+ recipes, thats just basically the 50/50 with addition of crushed oyster shell and/or calcium carbonate for a ph buffer.
NO NUTRIENTS in the casing layer. (coir, coffee, poo, ect)
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: Blutjager]
#10087471 - 04/01/09 02:20 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Blutjager said: Never read the ingredients in it and I don't have any on hand to look.I'm only growing oysters right now and they need no casing (Actually neither do cubes although I always liked casing them)I will say this,when I did use to case cubes it almost never contaminated on me ever and it was the only thing I would use now if I went back to growing something that I wanted to case.Pasteurize and apply,pretty simple and sure as hell beats tracking down and putting together your own ingredients when there is stuff ready right from the bag.I have never used(Or even seen) that jiffy mix but they have the MGMC everywhere and I'm guessing they are pretty similar
You can find the Jiffy Mix at Home Depot. It's a 50/50 mix and is ph adjusted. Is non-nutritious too. Supposedly it’s sterile, but I’ll PC it.
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: NineInchNails]
#10087596 - 04/01/09 02:45 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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STBAFU = Spawn To Bulk And Fruit Uncased
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: dead]
#10088793 - 04/01/09 05:44 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Blutjager said: Never read the ingredients in it and I don't have any on hand to look.I'm only growing oysters right now and they need no casing (Actually neither do cubes although I always liked casing them)I will say this,when I did use to case cubes it almost never contaminated on me ever and it was the only thing I would use now if I went back to growing something that I wanted to case.Pasteurize and apply,pretty simple and sure as hell beats tracking down and putting together your own ingredients when there is stuff ready right from the bag.I have never used(Or even seen) that jiffy mix but they have the MGMC everywhere and I'm guessing they are pretty similar
Add signature Preview Reply D4D0C8You can find the Jiffy Mix at Home Depot. It's a 50/50 mix and is ph adjusted. Is non-nutritious too. Supposedly it?s sterile, but I?ll PC it.
I'm guessing this is location specific,I mean according to some people here they can find someone who works in a real store who has even ever heard of vermiculite and the only way Ive ever seen anyone get it was online,I remember when asking(Without exaggerating at all) at least a dozen people at so called garden centers for it and I met ONE single person who ever heard of it and he said that he has not seen it in years
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: Blutjager]
#10109136 - 04/05/09 06:13 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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dudes. i made a mistake. i put so much compost on the top. i noticed it when 10 days passed and i still have %3-5 colonization at the top. bottom layer is too thick... do you suggest me to pick some of them, make thinner?
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: Carcass]
#10109287 - 04/05/09 08:14 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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mgmc-sticks
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: dead]
#10109367 - 04/05/09 08:44 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: the drake]
#10109438 - 04/05/09 09:08 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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the drake said: mgmc-sticks
? what do you mean? i don't understand.
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: Carcass]
#10109667 - 04/05/09 10:16 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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i have asked the same question very recently, although that was more in reply to why RR dubbed vermiculite 'the worst possible casing layer'
in the end a 50/50 vermiculite peat was recommended because this makes the best 'airy' casing and micro organisms help the mushroom.
although a casing is optional for cubes.
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: virus1824]
#10111503 - 04/05/09 04:50 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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miracle grow moisture control take out sticks
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: virus1824]
#10113898 - 04/05/09 11:36 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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virus1824 said: i have asked the same question very recently, although that was more in reply to why RR dubbed vermiculite 'the worst possible casing layer'
in the end a 50/50 vermiculite peat was recommended because this makes the best 'airy' casing and micro organisms help the mushroom.
although a casing is optional for cubes.
RR says plain verm is the 2nd worst casing layer. The worst, he says, is 50/50 verm/peat without a PH buffer, (i.e. hydrated lime, calcium carbonate, crushed oyster shell).
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Re: Ideal choice of casing layer (For Cubes) [Re: the drake]
#10113916 - 04/05/09 11:40 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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the drake said: miracle grow moisture control take out sticks
I was looking at some of this the other day, but is says "enriched with miracle grow nutrients/fertilizer" or something to that effect.
That would be a bad choice with nutes in your casing layer would'nt it?
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RR says plain verm is the 2nd worst casing layer. The worst, he says, is 50/50 verm/peat without a PH buffer,
i read differently
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Because plain verm does not have the structure or the beneficial organisms to be an ideal casing material. Verm mixed with peat does have the structure and beneficial organisms to be an ideal casing layer.
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Vermiculte is the worst possible choice of a casing layer,
edit: looked it up and trich likes more acidic soils. so indeed most say say to add gypsum or otherwise go for straight verm.
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Edited by virus1824 (04/06/09 01:47 AM)
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