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Former head of DEA vs Marijuan reform activist
#10033021 - 03/24/09 02:18 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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2C_Indica
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuan reform activist [Re: Kupo]
#10033125 - 03/24/09 02:35 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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That was some good stuff.
-------------------- T R I P P E N Bob Dylan "But I would not feel so all alone, everybody must get stoned." C.R.E.A.M. Lily Tomlin "Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs." Nas "I watch CBS, and I see BS" Jim Morrison "I see myself as a huge fiery comet, a shooting star. Everyone stops, points up and gasps "Oh look at that!" Then- whoosh, and I'm gone...and they'll never see anything like it ever again... and they won't be able to forget me- ever."
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuana reform activist [Re: Kupo]
#10033139 - 03/24/09 02:37 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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The former head of dea had no idea what he was talking about.
I felt like they downplayed the lobbyist action to keep it illegal as well.
Logically, the arguments for legalization are way better economically on federal and state level, health (compared to legals such as alcohol and tobacco), and the corruption caused by having politicians in the pharmaceutical companies pockets.
It takes a lot stubborn, scheming, lying politicians and the like to keep it illegal.
I think by 2020 at the latest, we'll see legalization so long as we are pro active about getting new politicians with reasonable policies in office.
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuana reform activist [Re: publicenemy1]
#10033348 - 03/24/09 03:14 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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i thought it went pretty damn well though. almost everyone seemed to be pro-legalization, except for hutchinson. it really, really pleases me to see so much positive mention making it to the major news outlets.
simply the fact that everyone, including major news, has adopted the term "prohibition" has been a major step in the right direction as it reveals it for the absurdity that it is, and creates a negative connotation tying it to the devastating failure that was the prohibition of alcohol.
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuana reform activist [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
#10033387 - 03/24/09 03:21 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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I'm very pleased as well, but there's always room for improvement (gotta target the lobbyists).
That hutchinson guy was a jerk off and a joke... full of lies, deceit, and absurdness... and most people know that he's just feeding the same old bull shit
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuana reform activist [Re: publicenemy1]
#10033395 - 03/24/09 03:23 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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it was absolutely hilarious when he said "a marijuana cigarette is more carcinogenic than a tobacco cigarette" and old dude is like "that is absolutely not true."
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuana reform activist [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
#10033485 - 03/24/09 03:42 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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Edited by Beanhead (06/29/15 09:17 AM)
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuana reform activist [Re: Beanhead]
#10033732 - 03/24/09 04:19 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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i like how when they bring up alcohol, the DEA guy says, "this isn't about alcohol," but yet he repeatedly brings up hard drugs like coke and meth while arguing against legalization.
its fucking to see good press for legalization. i like how they keep calling it prohibition, too.
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuana reform activist [Re: Kupo]
#10034390 - 03/24/09 06:03 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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It's nice to see the MM hopping aboard the legalization train.
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuana reform activist [Re: Cameron]
#10034742 - 03/24/09 06:57 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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I can smell change
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuana reform activist [Re: skatealex2]
#10035387 - 03/24/09 08:32 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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skatealex2 said: I can smell change
I dont, since there's not to be any change in federal law, obama has said he has no intention on changing the laws and they'll target people that grow in a way that's inconsistent with federal law, which by the way it's illegal to possess, distribute, cultivate or even possess seeds under federal law. it would appear that this is just another popularity ploy
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Holder did not spell out exactly who no longer would face the prospect of raids by the Drug Enforcement Administration. But he was quick to add that law enforcement officers will target anyone who tries to “use medical marijuana laws as a shield” for illegal activity.
“Given the limited resources that we have, our focus will be on people, organizations that are growing, cultivating substantial amounts of marijuana and doing so in a way that’s inconsistent with federal and state law,” the attorney general said.
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuana reform activist [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10035620 - 03/24/09 09:01 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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skatealex2 said: I can smell change
I dont, since there's not to be any change in federal law, obama has said he has no intention on changing the laws and they'll target people that grow in a way that's inconsistent with federal law, which by the way it's illegal to possess, distribute, cultivate or even possess seeds under federal law. it would appear that this is just another popularity ploy
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Holder did not spell out exactly who no longer would face the prospect of raids by the Drug Enforcement Administration. But he was quick to add that law enforcement officers will target anyone who tries to �use medical marijuana laws as a shield� for illegal activity.
�Given the limited resources that we have, our focus will be on people, organizations that are growing, cultivating substantial amounts of marijuana and doing so in a way that�s inconsistent with federal and state law,� the attorney general said.
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuana reform activist [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10035657 - 03/24/09 09:06 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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I rather like whats going on it really took a long time for people just to openly talk about the subject. That in itself is a step forward give it another year and things will start rolling along even faster. The whole problem now is getting more states to decriminalize it. We need to hit around 25 to 26 states before the federal gov would ever be persuaded to change the laws. So what are we at like 14 states now? Get another 12 states to decriminalize and not just the small easy ones try for bigger ones then I will believe that total legalization is on the way.
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuana reform activist [Re: skatealex2]
#10035693 - 03/24/09 09:10 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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yeah... it's easy to listen to others that only hear what they want to hear but when you listen to the con artists appointed by the puppet america elected, it casts a whole new light on things
ever think this was publicized as it was to increase the drug busts and make the obama administration look like it's extra hard on drugs?
ever look into Eric "the douche" Holder and his politics?
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Holder wanted "minimum sentences of 18 months for first-time convicted drug dealers, 36 months for the second time and 72 months for every conviction thereafter." He also wanted to "make the penalty for distribution and possession with intent to distribute marijuana a felony, punishable with up to a five-year sentence." The D.C. Council made the latter Holder-endorsed change in 2000. Holder thought New York City's irrational, unjust crackdown on pot smokers was a fine idea and worth emulating, saying "we have too long taken the view that what we would term to be minor crimes are not important." His rhetoric on the seriousness of marijuana offenses was indistinguishable from that of the most zealous Republican drug warrior:
"The truth of the matter is that marijuana is a significant problem for the city....Crack cocaine still drives most of the violence in this city, but marijuana violence is increasing. We need to nip it in the bud."
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuana reform activist [Re: 1upshroom]
#10035775 - 03/24/09 09:19 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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1upshroom said: We need to hit around 25 to 26 states before the federal gov would ever be persuaded to change the laws.
it's taken 15 years to get 13 states to change their laws, that's just from the first state making the decision, it would have been 14 but alaska has re criminalized the drug, well the problem is, people arent pushing the federal government hard enough, we dont need to wait another 15 years, we dont need to wait for another 12 states, we as a people need to make our voices heard and that's not going to happen when everyone keeps worshiping Obama as the new messiah because he told holder to give some vague speech about some vagueness in enforcement, if the federal government is getting out of the pot bust business, the we need to push them to make the laws reflect that
if we dont, we'll just keep letting them blow smoke up our asses while they bust people that wouldnt otherwise be criminals and strip away all of our rights
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuana reform activist [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10035776 - 03/24/09 09:19 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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The thing that pisses me off is they always say it will decrease violence and use keeping it illegal but anyone with a brain would see that it just has steadily increased in both areas the entire time it has been illegal. The only thing that pisses me off more is the "we must save the children" line just makes me cringe. If it were legal it wouldn't be available to children EVER like it is now. The thought process of a Prohibitionist just boggles the mind sometimes.
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuan reform activist [Re: Kupo]
#10035798 - 03/24/09 09:22 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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mrspirit2 said:
-------------------- ~The Cultivators Motherload~ "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein "There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama Live long and prosper.
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuana reform activist [Re: 1upshroom]
#10035801 - 03/24/09 09:22 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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The former head of the DEA is a fuckin idiot.
"Keep it illegal to save teens lives." ??? What?! How does that work. How can you save the lives of people who aren't dying form a substance in the first place?!?!?!
Secondly, that guys a fuckin idiot. "Marijuana consumption is more dangerous than alcohol or tobacco." ???? Say what? I have NEVER read the headline "Family dies in car crash; marijuana to blame." I HAVE seen "Family dies in car crash; alcohol to blame."
Furthermore, alcohol and nicotine are not only far more addictive and destructive, but even if one is to have an addiction to marijuana, which is not a proven theory, then it is far less harmful than alcohol or tobacco.
Jesus christ. Poli*tician n. An uneducated person attempting to influence governmental actions.
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuana reform activist [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10035837 - 03/24/09 09:27 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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1upshroom said: We need to hit around 25 to 26 states before the federal gov would ever be persuaded to change the laws.
it's taken 15 years to get 13 states to change their laws, that's just from the first state making the decision, it would have been 14 but alaska has re criminalized the drug, well the problem is, people arent pushing the federal government hard enough, we dont need to wait another 15 years, we dont need to wait for another 12 states, we as a people need to make our voices heard and that's not going to happen when everyone keeps worshiping Obama as the new messiah because he told holder to give some vague speech about some vagueness in enforcement, if the federal government is getting out of the pot bust business, the we need to push them to make the laws reflect that
if we dont, we'll just keep letting them blow smoke up our asses while they bust people that wouldnt otherwise be criminals and strip away all of our rights
I agree we need people writing bills in every state its not legal in every year until they pass. The process really needs to be sped up there no reason why by this November another 10 states shouldn't have some sort of legislature being voted on about legalization. Norml and High Times really need to get people pumped up and get more organized. The door is open and people need the courage to step through it.
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Re: Former head of DEA vs Marijuana reform activist [Re: 1upshroom]
#10035927 - 03/24/09 09:40 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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understand this, it does not matter if all 57 (obama count) states legalize marajuana, if the laws on the federal level are not changed you can be busted by any local cop and prosecuted for a federal crime, the cop simply has to disagree with state laws, we need to push for legalization on the federal level before we go after the states
do as Obama said, GET IN THEIR FACE, NORML and High Times are about collecting money, they have to lobby to fulfil their charter but they dont have to do much, it's UP TO YOU to organize and protest and lobby and become a thorn in the side of your senators and reps, high times isnt doing shit but rolling in the dough, NORML has become too comfortable for the fat cats running the shit
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