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Icelander
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: abore]
#10031556 - 03/24/09 08:50 AM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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I appreciate that. I wish the same for you and for all. And as my not so dear ol daddy used to say. "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride"
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: jivJaN]
#10031577 - 03/24/09 08:59 AM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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And im not judging you.. Dont get me wrong.. I just think.. you and some others , obviously miss the spirituality part of this section of the forum.
and I think many of you guys miss the point of this whole forum. How smug is it to act like you can define what is spirituality and what isnt? none of the engineers of the forum break have ever tried to define spirituality or claim that one is more spiritual than the other, yet many of the people like you , who traipse in here fresh out of philo 101 or just got done watching donnie darko with less than 1k posts under their belts like to think that they have the market cornered on spirituality. "oh, you didnt express your concept of spirituality in terms that i can grasp or agree with and therefor you are an apathetic, amoral, cold hater of the metaphysical experience".
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Yes.. it is for debate. And yes.. you can always debate against it.. But.. Lets look at it this way.. Maybe he thought that some people are spiritual.. eat mushrooms.. and meditate..and could meditate on this.. Certain studies have shown that group meditation can have a profound impact on other peoples emotional state , as well as health. He never proposed a topic for debate. Didnt see you referring to the rules before you decided participate in this imaginary argument. Icelander did... but also with a hint of his personal view on it. And.. he didnt stop. Maybe the OP broke through his spiritual crisis before by reading some wise council from another member of these boards. Maybe.. he doesnt buy into false hope and self-absorbed behavior. And maybe.. thats exactly why he came here. Maybe.. he feels exactly the same way you do.. and he came here.. instead of buying a bracelet .. or going to church. Maybe he thinks.. people here are different. And maybe.. you just fucked that up.
lot of maybes there. 1) see my point about how you think you have spirituality cornered? eating mushrooms = metaphysical experience = spirituality. 2) in my post, i stated that i wasnt here to debate the efficacy of TM or similar methods of scraping the barrel. I merely questioned the motive and how much effort or compassion really goes into such a gesture. 3) and what is this soft story news angle you are trying to take with me "ruining someones perception of mushroom eaters"? seems to me that the only one with a perception of shroom eaters that needs to be shattered is your own.
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I think this kind of ideology some of you guys presented strives for originality so much , that it is sometimes blinding.
this statement is a good example of my biggest gripe about you and your ilk. We know we arent original, there isnt any originality in spirituality or philosophy, because many many people have had many many years to really think of every possible combination of beliefs and perspectives. it is only people like you who think that our rash diatribes are striving for acceptance... the only thing blinding in this forum is your assurance that you have it all figured out, or atleast have it figured out enough that you can spot an ideology as "wrong" or "right" according to how it fits into your parameters.
And.. i think the posts were not set out to argue anything else , but their own controversy.
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Im not angry.. Im debating.
really?
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And i argue your lack or perceptiveness.. and a judgment clouded by personal biases.
judgement is bias.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: SneezingPenis]
#10031583 - 03/24/09 09:03 AM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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Kind of what I would say if I was articulate.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
#10031714 - 03/24/09 09:39 AM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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The OP says they don't care about the responders' belief system, and yet posting the original post was itself a malicious attack on others. The OP figured he was safe behind the guard walls of "good taste", and from that position launched his assault. By asking for thoughts or prayers or what have you, he is attempting to force his own belief system -- one in which 'prayers' have any effect on the livelihood of an unknown, possibly nonexistent, terminal patient -- on to others. Some folk either shared this belief construct or felt socially obligated to pretend to share it, while other folk responded (in what I feel was a level and compassionate manner) to this trojan horse attack. I don't think that anyone should be viewed as somehow morally deficient simply because they refuse to adopt an alien belief structure.
For my part, while I certainly possess compassion for the OP, his family, and his sister and the pain they must be experiencing, I will certainly not abandon my resolve to temporarily masquerade as a believer of a system that I see as potentially damaging to the OP's ability to cope with his sister's condition.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: xdzt]
#10031719 - 03/24/09 09:43 AM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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For my part, while I certainly possess compassion for the OP, his family, and his sister and the pain they must be experiencing, I will certainly not abandon my resolve to temporarily masquerade as a believer of a system that I see as potentially damaging to the OP's ability to cope with his sister's condition.

However I doubt his intent was a conscious "malicious attack". IMO his programing dictated this behavior for him to feel safe. We all do this most of the time it seems. His mistake was to assume this forum represented his personal programs.
While possibly somewhat uncomfortable, this kind of thread is a very good one IMO, as it gets in to the bones of how we feel about life personally rather than theoretically.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: lukey2411]
#10031986 - 03/24/09 10:43 AM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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I can't believe you guys managed to hijack this thread.
This is P&S, my friend. The P is for philosophy. Debating the topic of death in a thread about death is hardly a hijack. If you want help with illness, the Physical and Mental Well-Being forum is where you should post. If you want 100% affirmation of your illogical belief system, try the Mysticism and the Paranormal forum. Expect none of those things in P&S.
As for the OP, I don't get why this is a "hard time" for your family. You people apparently believe in prayer and so it follows you also believe in an afterlife. So why is your relative's physical death a big deal? I don't get it.
If I believed someone I love was about to die and go to a better place, I would throw a party for their good fortune. The OP's ideas seem like hypocrisy to me.
Get upset over the good fortune of someone you love. I will never get this.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Diploid]
#10032052 - 03/24/09 10:54 AM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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Believing in the afterlife does not follow from believing in prayer. We know nothing of the OP's belief system except that he doesn't believe in religions and does believe in a connection to a higher power who he asks for things. The OP might not believe in the afterlife for all we know.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Mufungo]
#10032073 - 03/24/09 10:59 AM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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True. Some believe prayer can work on it's own and groups increase the effectiveness.
I doubt my input would be helpful however.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Mufungo]
#10032159 - 03/24/09 11:12 AM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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The OP might not believe in the afterlife for all we know.
This is true, but I think most people who believe in invisible friends who grant wishes and live in the sky also believe in an afterlife. At least that's been my experience.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Diploid]
#10032508 - 03/24/09 12:12 PM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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Diploid said:
This is P&S, my friend. The P is for philosophy. Debating the topic of death in a thread about death is hardly a hijack. If you want help with illness, the Physical and Mental Well-Being forum is where you should post. If you want 100% affirmation of your illogical belief system, try the Mysticism and the Paranormal forum. Expect none of those things in P&S.
Perhaps, and I'm just spitballing here, the name of the forum is P&S; the S for spirituality has led some people to reach out for spiritual help in time of need. I don't think a person whose emotions are running high in the face of a loved one's death take the time to read the fine print before coming in here. It's obvious, isn't it?
As a solution perhaps some further explanation specifically mentioning THIS ISN'T THE PLACE FOR PRAYER! might reduce these "trolling" threads. Then again, if the staff thinks this is the best way to handle these situations, i.e. holding people up to ridicule in the midst of emotional anguish, the status quo will remain.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#10032523 - 03/24/09 12:17 PM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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Then again, if the staff thinks this is the best way to handle these situations, i.e. holding people up to ridicule in the midst of emotional anguish, the status quo will remain.
I didn't see anyone in here ridiculing the OP. His ideas, yes, but I thought this issue was already covered.
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All this time I've missed you
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MushroomTrip]
#10032570 - 03/24/09 12:50 PM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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I only have two questions:
1. Does an omniscient God need to be reminded that one of his children is suffering?
2. If so, who created death to generally be quite unpleasant in the first place?
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: xdzt]
#10032602 - 03/24/09 01:00 PM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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xdzt said: The OP says they don't care about the responders' belief system, and yet posting the original post was itself a malicious attack on others. The OP figured he was safe behind the guard walls of "good taste", and from that position launched his assault. By asking for thoughts or prayers or what have you, he is attempting to force his own belief system -- one in which 'prayers' have any effect on the livelihood of an unknown, possibly nonexistent, terminal patient -- on to others. Some folk either shared this belief construct or felt socially obligated to pretend to share it, while other folk responded (in what I feel was a level and compassionate manner) to this trojan horse attack. I don't think that anyone should be viewed as somehow morally deficient simply because they refuse to adopt an alien belief structure.
A+.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: deCypher]
#10032620 - 03/24/09 01:05 PM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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God created ALL things - except cancer?
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: deCypher]
#10032686 - 03/24/09 01:19 PM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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xdzt said: The OP says they don't care about the responders' belief system, and yet posting the original post was itself a malicious attack on others. The OP figured he was safe behind the guard walls of "good taste", and from that position launched his assault. By asking for thoughts or prayers or what have you, he is attempting to force his own belief system -- one in which 'prayers' have any effect on the livelihood of an unknown, possibly nonexistent, terminal patient -- on to others. Some folk either shared this belief construct or felt socially obligated to pretend to share it, while other folk responded (in what I feel was a level and compassionate manner) to this trojan horse attack. I don't think that anyone should be viewed as somehow morally deficient simply because they refuse to adopt an alien belief structure.
There is a big difference between adopting what you feel is an outdated belief system and exhibiting good taste.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#10032725 - 03/24/09 01:27 PM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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Taste is well... a matter of taste. You are not the one who decides for the rest of us what is "good taste"
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MushroomTrip]
#10032732 - 03/24/09 01:28 PM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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Then again, if the staff thinks this is the best way to handle these situations, i.e. holding people up to ridicule in the midst of emotional anguish, the status quo will remain.
I didn't see anyone in here ridiculing the OP. His ideas, yes, but I thought this issue was already covered. 
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
#10032740 - 03/24/09 01:29 PM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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You said you hoped the OP's little sister dies.
I think most will agree that is poor taste.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
#10032759 - 03/24/09 01:33 PM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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Your sig pic is in poor taste.
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Touche.
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