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Re: Custom Built FC Closet [Re: SillyBilly]
#10036255 - 03/24/09 11:01 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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put bleach in your ultrasonic and put it where the humidifier is, then run an air pump in it and make sure it fogs up your whole chamber for a day.
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Re: Custom Built FC Closet [Re: SillyBilly]
#10036703 - 03/25/09 12:46 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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OK so I changed it, I piped the fresh air to the humidifier box. Should I use the 2 cool mists and a ultrasonic on a timer in the box??? if I do this I will build a top for the humidifier box to feed the air to the intakes of the cool-mist preventing back-pressure on system.
The other option is to just use ultrasonics on timers in the box and pipe the fresh air directly into the box. This would be much easer as I already have positive pressure air supply with variable speed. Everyone talks about over saturation with ultrasonics would that be a problem with this much air supply???
I need to do this tonight so please let me know ASAP. This will be permanent so if you not sure please let someone else answer Thanks
Edited by balleman3 (03/25/09 12:54 AM)
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Re: Custom Built FC Closet [Re: balleman3]
#10036722 - 03/25/09 12:50 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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dammmmmnnnnn.... very nice
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Re: Custom Built FC Closet [Re: balleman3]
#10036755 - 03/25/09 12:59 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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run it directly to the box, there is no reason to run them to the cool mist...
if you run it directly to the box your ultrasonic fog will get pushed out easier, just make sure that filter is clean in the hepa... its easy to put relief on the box if the pressure is too much and is causing the hepa to heat up.
run the ultrasonics on timers, this option will give you a better ability to ADD an oxygen supplement system if you want to in the future.
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Re: Custom Built FC Closet [Re: potatonet]
#10036764 - 03/25/09 01:01 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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you will have one hell of a time oversaturating that FC... you would have to be running that ultrasonic ALL THE TIME.
I would still recommend rotating your trays as the humidity level may vary with the height variation being so large with the humidifier on the bottom.
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Re: Custom Built FC Closet [Re: potatonet]
#10036817 - 03/25/09 01:17 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do I even need the cool-mist's if I install ultrasonics in the box and pipe the HEPA into it???
I'm not worried about back pressure on the HEPA, I'm relieving access pressure in the cabinet that HEPA is in so the air will be filtered numerous times before before its pumped into chamber.
If I use cool mists I am going to make a top to feed air into cool mists so they are not trying to push air into a positive pressure environment. People say cool mists don't last very long with back pressure. The HEPA piped directly into the box would create back pressure for the cool-mists.
Edited by balleman3 (03/25/09 01:48 AM)
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Re: Custom Built FC Closet [Re: potatonet]
#10036855 - 03/25/09 01:29 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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potatonet said: you will have one hell of a time oversaturating that FC... you would have to be running that ultrasonic ALL THE TIME.
I would still recommend rotating your trays as the humidity level may vary with the height variation being so large with the humidifier on the bottom.
Did you look at pics of the humidifier output pipe at the beginning of this thread It runs all the way to the top of the chamber and outputs are sized mathematically for even air distribution. All of the fresh air that enters the chamber will also flow thru this. and like I said I can put multiple ultrasonics in the box. This will be permanent and I only get one chance to do it perfectly
Edited by balleman3 (03/25/09 01:32 AM)
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Re: Custom Built FC Closet [Re: balleman3]
#10036896 - 03/25/09 01:45 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Question, how are you planning on fruiting those 28Qt containers? The shrooms wont have anywhere to grow, especially with a sub depth of 3". Or is the right side an incubation chamber and the left a fruiting chamber.
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Re: Custom Built FC Closet [Re: SillyBilly]
#10036917 - 03/25/09 01:55 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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No the left side is for my clothes and stuff...
Edited by balleman3 (03/25/09 02:15 AM)
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Re: Custom Built FC Closet [Re: balleman3]
#10036994 - 03/25/09 02:39 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
balleman3 said: No the left side is for my clothes and stuff...
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Re: Custom Built FC Closet [Re: Shroominit]
#10037095 - 03/25/09 04:25 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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what r the interior dimensions of the FC?
doesnt look very deep.
only possible problems i see:
the pipe from the box...A LOT of water will be dripping back down that pipe into the box i think
and the showerboard, idk about that stuff, maybe you can switch all the board out with plastic, plexiglass, glass, etc. something you KNOW wont rot
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Re: Custom Built FC Closet [Re: just me]
#10037233 - 03/25/09 06:25 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I dont understand why the water that you have in the fridge is freezing. Your fridge if its set right should be around 4C and when its pumping through your radiator and bringing back warm water to the box in your fridge, it should never freeze even if it was close to 0.
Having something thats colder that the surrounding air inside your fruiting chamber is gong to cause problems. Your always going to get moisture condensiing out of the air onto your radiator, and dripping everywhere. That can also rob your of humidity. You want the moisture to stay in the air.
Your temps are pretty warm getting above 95F. If you can get it to stay somewhere below 90F for fruiting you should be OK. I have heard of cubensis fruiting upto 90F.
With fresh air, you dont need to filter it. But you can if you want.
This is a pretty unusuall setup, im only familar with greenhouses and marthas where a coolmist on a timer inside is more than ample for RH and FAE is taken care of with slits in the walls.
A problem i see is with it being complelty sealed, its all fine and well pumping in fresh air, but you will need somewhere for the old stale air to go. Fresh air exchange isnt just getting new air in, but also getting the old air out. You idealy want to replace the air inside with new air, not just mix in new with old.
Also, i think it would be more benificial to have fresh air pumped in thats not went through a humidifier. evaporation of moisture from a substrate is pinning triger, and thats what air exchanges do. then that moisture is usually replaced with misting.
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If he runs it through the ultrasonic... all he has to do is turn the ultrasonic off to get much less moisture...
ta da...
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The air in the FC chamber is exhausted thru the three inch drain in the floor. The radiator is in the Incubation chamber side and condensation is not a problem It stays at 70% RH on its own. The fridge is another Issue I will fix soon.
QUOTE>>i think it would be more beneficial to have fresh air pumped in thats not went through a humidifier. evaporation of moisture from a substrate is pinning trigger, and thats what air exchanges do. then that moisture is usually replaced with misting)
So which one should I do #1 Should I use the 2 cool mists and a ultrasonic on a timer in the box??? if I do this I will build a top for the humidifier box to feed the air to the intakes of the cool-mist preventing back-pressure on system.
#2 The other option is to just use ultrasonics on timers in the box and pipe the fresh air directly into the box. This would be much easer as I already have positive pressure air supply with variable speed. Everyone talks about over saturation with ultrasonics would that be a problem with this much air supply???
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Re: Custom Built FC Closet [Re: balleman3]
#10038509 - 03/25/09 12:11 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I say in the box, I know my reasons
there is also the posibility of running a dehumidifier if you want less moisture.
you also have to realize that the mixture of water, air, and light is algae city... make sure you put DI water in that humidifier.
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Edited by potatonet (03/25/09 12:16 PM)
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Re: Custom Built FC Closet [Re: potatonet]
#10038848 - 03/25/09 01:27 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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In the box it is but do I still need the cool mists????
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Re: Custom Built FC Closet [Re: balleman3]
#10038982 - 03/25/09 01:50 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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OK so put ultrasonics hooked to timers in the box and pipe FAE directly into box. I will have to make another top, but like this???
 It will be filled automatically with distilled water to the proper level, and I will be able to control fresh air input.
Edited by balleman3 (03/25/09 02:43 PM)
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Re: Custom Built FC Closet [Re: balleman3]
#10039723 - 03/25/09 03:38 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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yes that is fine.
you do not need the cool mists, the ultrasonics should provide enough air & water to keep the water content in the air high enough, being that its pretty well sealed I doubt you will need anything else to keep it warm enough. (70-78)
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Re: Custom Built FC Closet [Re: balleman3]
#10042282 - 03/25/09 10:03 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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You should really be colonizing substrates on an open shelf in a room. If you close them up, not only will they overheat, but the stale air/high CO2 is detrimental to the mycelium.
As for fruiting, you want massive amounts of fresh air and 95% or greater humidity. Consider three to four air exchanges per hour to be minimum, and shoot for more than that. However you go about getting there will work. You can humidify your intake, or humidify the chambers and let it pump out as you supply fresh air. You don't need a hepa on a grow chamber. Personally, I'd go with a greenhouse type setup with lots of holes and slits cut into it for fresh air, and a humidifier inside. The less mechanized you make it, the better it will perform. RR
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