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Russian Hostages..
    #1001876 - 10/29/02 01:15 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I just heard on the news that all of the 117 hostages found dead in the theates died due to the gass that was pumped into the theater to knock everyone out..

Sure, some hostages died in the "attack" (if you can call it that) but NO police or soldiers died. They just walked in, tied up the bad guys and carried out the bodies...

They are saying that the raid was a success but common... Its the job of these people to risk their lives in situations like this... I dont believe that 117 people would have died if they would have just shot their way in, hell at least people would have a chance to take cover....

That is Russia though, they can do things diferently than here in the US and I may never understand it..
If this was the US they would have never got away with gassing and killing 117 people...


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Re: Russian Hostages.. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #1002522 - 10/29/02 07:00 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

wow...i was wondering when this would be brought up...i give it a day before america gets blamed for it :smirk:


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Re: Russian Hostages.. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1003325 - 10/29/02 03:43 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

they couldnt run in takign their chances due to the bombs/mines they setup between hostages... the gas which killed so many hostages, also prevented the bombers from successfully detonating any explosives, which may have cost even more lives

still, it is a very tough call to make


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Re: Russian Hostages.. [Re: foghorn]
    #1003334 - 10/29/02 03:46 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

you're not justifying it are you? I mean it's a great idea until it kills the people you're trying to save...i would of called their bluff to see how serious they were.


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Re: Russian Hostages.. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #1003376 - 10/29/02 04:05 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

It was that hallucinogenic BZ gas that they used...the stuff america used in vietnam.


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Re: Russian Hostages.. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #1003465 - 10/29/02 04:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

There is a lot more to the story than that.

The "bad guys" were actually just using force to get Russian soldiers out of their towns. They had no intent to kill anyone.

I dont think Russia did the right thing in killing all of their own people.

I have heard from a professor that they still did not release the name of the gas due to the fact that the US would take action against them for using it...

Course I was not there, no one else was, who really knows the real story ? :smile:


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    #1003591 - 10/29/02 05:27 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Actually, no it wasn't, that was just speculation.
German doctors who have done the autopsy are now saying it was fentanyl gas, that's the really powerful opiate.


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Re: Russian Hostages.. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1003638 - 10/29/02 05:49 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I may be wrong but weren't the terrorists prepared to die anyway? So, the gas worked to save most of the people (not to mention the building). Granted it would have been more successful if they had the antidote to the gas.


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Re: Russian Hostages.. [Re: frogsheath]
    #1004309 - 10/29/02 10:05 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Obviously the Russians cared more about the building than the lives of the hostages.


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Re: Russian Hostages.. [Re: frogsheath]
    #1005248 - 10/30/02 06:12 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

****I may be wrong but weren't the terrorists prepared to die anyway?****

i guess we'll never know now....

****So, the gas worked to save most of the people ****

117 people dead....that's a russian success


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Re: Russian Hostages.. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1006649 - 10/30/02 03:50 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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117 people dead....that's a russian success




That number is even higher now... More than 400 of the people gasses were still hospitalized yesterday, only about 300 were well enough to go home. The still believe that 15% of the people hospitalized could still die from this and their are many in comas and many many more who will have permanent dammage for the rest of their life...


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Re: Russian Hostages.. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1006793 - 10/30/02 04:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

You arnt treating the situation very fairly Innv



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    #1006843 - 10/30/02 04:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

How do you figure?


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