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Lakefingers
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Primitivism as asubjectivity
#10013638 - 03/21/09 12:39 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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Not sphere here, sphere there, loves me, loves me not.
When the primitivist returns to the city they question the emptiness, the rationale of effectivity, the free-energy machine of somnabulence.
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learningtofly
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Re: Primitivism as asubjectivity [Re: Lakefingers]
#10013763 - 03/21/09 01:00 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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The primitivist has some weird notion that the nomad was a majestic creature, which he was not.
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Re: Primitivism as asubjectivity [Re: Lakefingers]
#10013767 - 03/21/09 01:01 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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Yes.
I rarely get out into the natural world, sadly. Last time I was away from most of the trappings of modern society for a couple of days (nothing too extraordinary, just a backpacking trip in a pretty un-remote part of the NE US) I remember walking into a restaurant when I got back and finding all the hurried energy of the people around me silly - kind of akin to tripping and being able to step back from the neurotic busyness of mind, just enough to be amused/incredulous but not enough to truly still it.
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Lakefingers
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learningtofly said: The primitivist has some weird notion that the nomad was a majestic creature, which he was not.
Neither is the settled person.
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Re: Primitivism as asubjectivity [Re: Lion]
#10013826 - 03/21/09 01:13 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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Lion said: Yes.
I rarely get out into the natural world, sadly. Last time I was away from most of the trappings of modern society for a couple of days (nothing too extraordinary, just a backpacking trip in a pretty un-remote part of the NE US) I remember walking into a restaurant when I got back and finding all the hurried energy of the people around me silly - kind of akin to tripping and being able to step back from the neurotic busyness of mind, just enough to be amused/incredulous but not enough to truly still it.
Most people are extremely neurotic. And as far as I can tell, I'd prefer if they weren't.
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Re: Primitivism as asubjectivity [Re: Lakefingers]
#10013856 - 03/21/09 01:19 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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Lakefingers said:
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learningtofly said: The primitivist has some weird notion that the nomad was a majestic creature, which he was not.
Neither is the settled person.
tu quoque.
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Lakefingers
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appeal to authority
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Re: Primitivism as asubjectivity [Re: Lakefingers]
#10014050 - 03/21/09 01:45 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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What authority? You haven't appealed to any authority. Unless you're claiming that I've appealed to an unqualified authority, in which case i'm still confused
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You are confused by a 'licorice reindeer runner's high from mumuland'? Is that so very surprising?
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Lakefingers
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Indeed, I need to represent myself with more abstractions.
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Re: Primitivism as asubjectivity [Re: Lakefingers]
#10014256 - 03/21/09 02:13 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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Lakefingers said: Not sphere here, sphere there, loves me, loves me not.
When the primitivist returns to the city they question the emptiness, the rationale of effectivity, the free-energy machine of somnabulence.
So culture must die, I agree. How could that happen?
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Re: Primitivism as asubjectivity [Re: Icelander]
#10014286 - 03/21/09 02:18 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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I don't believe it will. And I'm not talking about "going back" like everyone that accuses primitivists of wanting. Right now and for a long while in the future (if this civilization's jenga-like systems don't topple themselves or civilized man) we're going to have more culture, more specification, more specialization, more separation, more atomization.
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Re: Primitivism as asubjectivity [Re: Lakefingers]
#10014293 - 03/21/09 02:20 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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I agree. "You can't get out of it, until you get into it" -Genisis
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Re: Primitivism as asubjectivity [Re: Lakefingers]
#10014336 - 03/21/09 02:27 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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Lakefingers said: Indeed, I need to represent myself with more abstractions.
? Can you please elaborate on what you meant when you said "Appeal to authority"
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Logical fallacies are the authority system.
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Re: Primitivism as asubjectivity [Re: Lakefingers]
#10014397 - 03/21/09 02:33 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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So you're saying that what I said was void because I said that you were using a logical fallacy?
Wait nevermind, there's a difference between an authority and an unqualified authority. I'm still in the clear.
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What I'm saying is those are aikido moves to neutralize beginning attackers.
For a real engagement you need to exert yourself.
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Re: Primitivism as asubjectivity [Re: Lakefingers]
#10014455 - 03/21/09 02:40 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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The Master is relaxed at all times. He breaths as a if he were an infant. To exert is to fail.
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Re: Primitivism as asubjectivity [Re: Lakefingers]
#10014459 - 03/21/09 02:42 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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Lakefingers said: What I'm saying is those are aikido moves to neutralize beginning attackers.
For a real engagement you need to exert yourself.
I need to break away from pointing out fallacies so that you may make arguments that don't make sense?
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Re: Primitivism as asubjectivity [Re: Icelander]
#10014461 - 03/21/09 02:42 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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If the master didn't exert himself he'd being sitting on his zafu.
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