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Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential
    #9975988 - 03/15/09 12:12 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

Has any testing been done to see if there is any correlation between the depth of a casing style substrate vs fruiting potential?

For example, if I were to lay a 1 inch thick layer of Substrate in pan 1, and a 2 inch thick layer in pan 2, would there be differences in fruiting?

Thanks, :smile:

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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: Mycorial]
    #9975997 - 03/15/09 12:13 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

The more substrate the more nutrition which can lead to more fruits and or bigger fruits.

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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: Mycorial]
    #9976001 - 03/15/09 12:14 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

yes


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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: RedDevil420]
    #9976040 - 03/15/09 12:23 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

Alright, next question, sorry,

I could see where the fruiting would be different between the two pans, but say I have a quart of substrate, I can either lay it 1 inch thick in a large pan, or two inches thick in a smaller pan, would there be a difference?

The amount of substrate is the same but the amount of surface exposure/area is different.

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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: Mycorial]
    #9976060 - 03/15/09 12:30 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

More surface area = Larger flushes
Deeper substrate = More flushes + larger fruits


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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: RedDevil420]
    #9976065 - 03/15/09 12:33 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

So really when it comes down to it you'll wind up with the same amount, just varied by the amount of flushes and the size of each.

Would it be less of a hassle to just maximize surface area and have one large flush than have to deal with medium size fruiting with multiple flushes?

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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: Mycorial]
    #9976087 - 03/15/09 12:40 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

IME, more surface area = more pins, smaller shrooms.  More depth = fewer pins, bigger shrooms.

I have gotten massive pinsets only to be disappointed that each pin matures at max 2 inches tall.

I have gotten sub par pinsets with some huge fruits weighing over an 1/8th dry.

So far I have not done apples to apples comparisons, but it appears that regardless of fruit size, I've gotten about 1.66 wet grams for each cubic inch of substrate on the first flush.


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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: archivist]
    #9976091 - 03/15/09 12:41 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

Thanks a lot Arch :smile:

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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: Mycorial]
    #9976230 - 03/15/09 01:14 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

that is why no matter the size of the tub u stick with 4 or 5 inch substrate depth

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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: Damion5050]
    #9976595 - 03/15/09 02:35 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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that is why no matter the size of the tub u stick with 4 or 5 inch substrate depth



:thumbup: especially if its an 80 gallon tub :yesnod:


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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: RedDevil420]
    #9976674 - 03/15/09 02:52 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

I aim for a 5.25 inch substrate initially.    I quit worrying about pinsets, as the more pins you have the smaller the mushrooms will be.

Here's one of my first tubs about 3 inches deep, horse poo/verm mixture.



Terrible pinset, as I neglected this tub.  Didn't case and only misted once or so.  I just basically used left over materials and kinda forgot about it.

Over half the fruits were 30+ grams wet and several 80ish grams.






But then I get flushes like this:



Where I get a shit ton of pins, but they're all fairly small with a couple 25-30 gram'ers.

Overall weight seems pretty consistent with the substrate depth/spawn ratios though.


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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: Spongiform]
    #9976738 - 03/15/09 03:07 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

i much rather have a lot of medium sized fruits to a couple big ones. thats just me :shrug:
A monster once in a while is very nice tho lol :grin:


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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: ICdeadPeople]
    #9976778 - 03/15/09 03:14 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

Its interesting how the mycelium's efforts are balanced based on what it has to work with.

I need to learn more... This is very interesting stuff.

Thanks again guys,

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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: Mycorial]
    #9976793 - 03/15/09 03:17 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

yep, very balanced.  There's only so much it can do with the food you give it.


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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: RedDevil420]
    #9977074 - 03/15/09 04:14 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

80 gallon tub is huge...

I use 27 quart tubs. I am thinking about bumping it up to 66 quart tubs though.

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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: Damion5050]
    #9977083 - 03/15/09 04:15 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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80 gallon tub is huge...



That it is :laugh:


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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: RedDevil420]
    #9977089 - 03/15/09 04:15 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

I may have to try one and see how it goes.  I think I'd cry if one contam'd early though.


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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: Damion5050]
    #9977090 - 03/15/09 04:15 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

Hell I use the 105 qt sterilite tubs. Now that gives you some serious surface area.

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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: mister]
    #9977096 - 03/15/09 04:17 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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Hell I use the 105 qt sterilite tubs. Now that gives you some serious surface area.





Whats your average yield dry per flush ?

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Re: Depth of Substrate vs Fruiting Potential [Re: mister]
    #9977099 - 03/15/09 04:17 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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mister said:
Hell I use the 105 qt sterilite tubs. Now that gives you some serious surface area.





Also how many bricks of coir and spawn quarts do you use ?

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