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proud_republican
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PF tek substrate question
#9970100 - 03/14/09 12:22 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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Sooooo... ive done two pf tek grows, and I want to move on to the bulk production. The only problem is, I REALLY overbought when I started, and ive still got like five pounds of BRF, and I dont want to waste it, as I paid for it.
My question for all of you is, how can I make a mini-monotub using the PF tek substrate and coir? I was thinking maybe some kind of home-made grow bag with PF tek substrate. Ive searched the site, and havent found much on this particular subject.
I was thinking about just making a big batch of PF tek substrate, putting it into a bag, and PCing it. Then I would follow monotub S.O.P. and go from there with some coir/verm/coffee for a bulk substrate. Im assuming that a standard ziplock bag will melt at the 250 degrees fahrenheit inside the pressure cooker, so what should I use?
Any and all suggestions are appreciated, and 5 shrooms for anyone who helps me out.
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grymmtymm
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you could try doing it in a bag, i've never heard of anyone doing that though.
or you could just continue to do the pf jars, and then breaking that up into your bulk sub then casing. alot of people do that. keeps things pretty simple.
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Sebastien
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About the bag, why not get some oven bags? I've heard those work great! I don't see much other way of using it all up other than how you suggested, so I'd say go for it! And also, seems that since you have so much left over, doesn't matter TOO much if you mess up some. Good luck!
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grymmtymm
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trying to do a large batch of pf substrate in a bag would take forever to colonize i would think. that material just isn't that conducive to quick colonizing times.
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Mister Green
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Re: PF tek substrate question [Re: grymmtymm]
#9970144 - 03/14/09 12:29 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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Get some boil-a-bags.
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grymmtymm
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Re: PF tek substrate question [Re: Sebastien]
#9970150 - 03/14/09 12:30 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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oven bags do work, i've used them before, they just don't contain the air exchange filters like the bags that are made for this type of stuff.
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proud_republican
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Re: PF tek substrate question [Re: grymmtymm]
#9970157 - 03/14/09 12:31 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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I want to do a GT tub, but I only have about 4ml of GT inoculate left. Otherwise, I would just do jars and mix them in like you said.
I didnt think about the oven-bags, though. Good idea!
Could I make some custom oven-bags with the FAE patches, and if so, how?
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grymmtymm
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im not sure how you could attach a filter to a bag and make it survive the pc'ing, but i believe you can find reusable bag filters like this http://www.shroomery.org/images/28017/171386788-Bag_Neck__Filters.jpg
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Re: PF tek substrate question [Re: grymmtymm]
#9970380 - 03/14/09 01:13 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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4 ml is enough for 4 half pints if all or even e survive to 100% spawn that to bulk in a 6 qt sweater box... then when ya get fruit make prints... those small bulks are awesome to start with I've got 4 goin now and a lil 1 qt as well
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Re: PF tek substrate question [Re: madwire3]
#9970430 - 03/14/09 01:22 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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If you want to move onto bulk production you should just cook up a ton of 1 pint brf jars so you can use all your substrate up, then just spawn to coir or hpoo in a monotub and case, or fruit it uncased. You'll get great results and its just about the same as spawning grains to bulk, except your using brf. Here's a small expierament i did a while back spawning 7 1/2 pint brf cakes to half a brick of coir:
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Re: PF tek substrate question [Re: large_dose]
#9970737 - 03/14/09 02:27 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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The brf tek needs to be done in 1/2 pint jars for best results. After full colonization, simply break up the birthed cakes and use them to inoculate pasteurized manure or coir, etc. Oven bags suck. Use filter patch bags that are made for the purpose and at least three times the thickness of oven bags. They're available from nearly all our sponsors. RR
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