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 worowa
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 How to simulate storm water? 
#9925296 - 03/06/09 08:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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G'day,
Lightning somehow enables atmospheric Nitrogen to become soluble in water-I think it's to do with negative electrical charge.
Plants always look amazing after a thunderstorm, and shrooms appear to benefit as well.
Does anybody know of simple ways to electrically charge water?
I'm thinking of misting or spraying with negatively charged water, in order to catch the atmospheric Nitrogen.
Alternatively, maybe I could negatively charge the atmosphere in my GH prior to misting/spraying?
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 Seroind
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Re: How to simulate storm water? [Re: worowa]
#9925412 - 03/06/09 08:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can you provide links to information regarding this? The mechanism behind it must be known before we can try to artificially produce it.
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 Re: How to simulate storm water? [Re: Seroind]
#9928403 - 03/07/09 01:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was thinking about what the effects of electricity could be in regards to mushroom growth just the other day. I have a $2000 medical grade muscle stimulator that I want to experiment with. I have no knowledge in regards to electricity and organic lifeforms though.
Anyone have knowledge of this subject?
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Re: How to simulate storm water? [Re: worowa]
#9930512 - 03/07/09 08:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
I'm thinking of misting or spraying with negatively charged water, in order to catch the atmospheric Nitrogen.
Probably doesn't quite work that way. Atmospheric nitrogen (N2) is incredibly stable, and it takes a lot of energy to pull it apart. Lightning will split it. The Haber industrial process uses high temperature, high pressure, and a catalyst to split nitrogen, then it is converted to ammonia or some other nitrogenous compound for fertilizer. I know that air ionizers can split O2 into singlet oxygen, which forms ozone (that can be good and bad, depending on whether or not you breathe it). But I don't think the average ionizer is going to split much nitrogen.
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worowa
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Re: How to simulate storm water? [Re: Jonat]
#9942005 - 03/09/09 08:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry Seronoid, I don't have links, just stuff I've heard and thought about.
Jonat, does the Nitrogen have to be split to become soluble? I was hoping that the negative charge on the water molecules might somehow "attract" Nitrogen molecules, bringing them down as they fall.
Has anyone noticed improved growth in atmospheres that are negatively charged, such as a GH with a negative ioniser?
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Re: How to simulate storm water? [Re: worowa]
#9943005 - 03/09/09 10:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nitrogen is always soluble in water, but not bio-available, that is except to Nitrogen fixing Bacteria. Perhaps you are suggesting that lighting creates nitrates or nitrites out of nitrogen and oxygen. These compounds are both water soluble and bioavailable. Also you can dissolve a lot more nitrogen in water in the nitrate or nitrite form, and plants can certainly absorb this through their leaves, and use it as a nutrient. Fungi can use it too.
Mono-atomic (split or N1) nitrogen would likely be damaging to any living thing it encountered.
Water is a polar molecule. That means it has a positive end and a negative end. It might attract any charged molecule, POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE.
You mention a greenhouse. Are we talking about plants ?
It would seem unlikely that these experiments would benefit plants as much, say, as leaf feeding (misting) with a dilute fertilizer solution.
Perhaps if you said what it was you are trying to accomplish, we could all be of more help.
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Re: How to simulate storm water? [Re: Jef]
#9945858 - 03/10/09 01:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I had a friend who worked in a sign shop. They made neon signs. Anyway, I'd stop by after work to roust him out to go surfing, and sometimes he had his ozone machine running. I think he built it just for kicks. Basically he had these two units with a large arc of what looked like molten electricity leaping across from one to the other across a 12 inch gap.
Whenever he had it running, it smelled like a thundershower was going to happen.
Probably not much help, but it always improved my mood.
The guy was (and still is) quite an inventor.
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Re: How to simulate storm water? [Re: arago]
#9947001 - 03/10/09 05:01 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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plants dont use N2 they use NO3- the lightning splits the N2 and it reacts with the other trace elements present in the air. The NO3- is changed by nitrogen fixing bacteria into NO3- which the plant can use.
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Re: How to simulate storm water? [Re: Herbie5075]
#9948082 - 03/10/09 08:07 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Herbie5075 said:
plants dont use N2 they use NO3- the lightning splits the N2 and it reacts with the other trace elements present in the air. The NO3- is changed by nitrogen fixing bacteria into NO3- which the plant can use.
Perhaps you're right, but from my observations, plants go a darker, more vibrant green, almost immediately during a thunder storm. It seems as though they're taking in nutrients through their leaves. I might be wrong, maybe it is the bacteria that fertillize the plants with the storm water.
Jef-I'm talking about fungi and plants...it's just that I've noticed the effects in plants almost immediately. I'm speculating that fungi may also benefit.
I'm hoping to improve the growth of my plants and fungi-but I'm not sure if it's practical.
Thanks for the input
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Re: How to simulate storm water? [Re: worowa]
#9948375 - 03/10/09 08:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Via, http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/12/991207072741.htm, ozone causes stomata on the leaves to be unable to open. With a higher number of closed pores the leaves may appear greener? Just throwing that out there. As arago pointed out, ozone is the smell you smell as a storm approaches.
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Re: How to simulate storm water? [Re: Seroind]
#9956000 - 03/12/09 12:27 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cool link in this good quality thread.
Did you notice the gal studying the plants was a doctor and his first name was Gro?
Dr. Gro. How lucky can you get.
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Re: How to simulate storm water? [Re: Jef]
#9958990 - 03/12/09 03:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, interesting link. However, they mention low humidity and high solar radiation being related to high ozone levels in their experiments.
In a storm, you have high humidity and low solar radiation. The ozone is highly reactive, so it probably reacts with other moleculues in the atmosphere before it hits the plants.
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Re: How to simulate storm water? [Re: worowa]
#9959490 - 03/12/09 05:01 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've been reading here for some time but for what ever reason never posted any way....
has any one tried using a rain collection system?
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Re: How to simulate storm water? [Re: arago]
#9960913 - 03/12/09 08:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Someone should tell your friend that ozone is really toxic if you breath it. It's a free radical and will oxidize living tissue (i.e. your lungs).
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Re: How to simulate storm water? [Re: worowa]
#9961117 - 03/12/09 08:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
worowa said:
In a storm, you have high humidity and low solar radiation. The ozone is highly reactive, so it probably reacts with other moleculues in the atmosphere before it hits the plants.
There is enough free ozone in the air before a storm for me to smell it. That implies that there is at least some ozone to react with the plants guardian cells. Whether or not this is enough ozone to produce the observed color shift is a question that must be answered through experimentation.
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