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Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies?
    #9921613 - 03/06/09 08:26 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

I get a kick out of movies that portray Alabama as everyone having a blue-tick hound on the front porch and driving an antique pick-up with a gun rack.

It is this way in Forrest Gump, Crazy in Alabama, Sweet Home Alabama, My Cousin Vinny, etc.

It is probably true about the rural areas, but Huntsville, Birmingham, Montgomery, Mobile, Tuscaloosa, and Auburn are actually really cool towns.

Don't alot of you folks have rednecks in the rural areas?

I would be interested in anyone's experience with their local rednecks.

I would also like to hear from anyone who has been to Alabama and thinks it is more hicks per capita than other states.


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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #9921689 - 03/06/09 08:45 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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Swyfty Swyf said:
I get a kick out of movies that portray Alabama as everyone having a blue-tick hound on the front porch and driving an antique pick-up with a gun rack.





You mean thats not how it is?

In general, I think "red states" and or midwestern areas have more "hicks" and "rednecks" than coastal areas.


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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #9921738 - 03/06/09 09:00 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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Swyfty Swyf said:
Don't alot of you folks have rednecks in the rural areas?




given that I'm about 5 minutes from alabama and in a rural area,
I suspect there may be a couple of rednecks here

Quote:

I would be interested in anyone's experience with their local rednecks.




they've all been fairly pleasant

keep in mind that the term redneck wasnt all that derogatory, it
was a term referring to farmers, they kept their eyes to the
dirt exposing the back of their neck to the sun, I guess all in
all I'm a redneck since I am a farmer

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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: badchad]
    #9921743 - 03/06/09 09:02 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

i never judge a place by a photo or a story, i have learned in life that the only way to truely know the feel of a place is to physically GO there.

it is this mentality that keeps me travelling and anywhere, i'll go anywhere atleast once. more people would travel to more places if they also thought this way.

honestly i have heard horrible things from everyone i have talked too that have gone to Alabama, and whats weird is they all say the same things which are basically the main stereotypes.

a friend of mine brought back a Canjo and that was quite cool, we learned to play a bunch of songs on it and he mixed them into his amBient works.

anyway sorry i went off on a tangent, my point is ... i still wish to visit Alabama regardless of what i hear.


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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #9921749 - 03/06/09 09:03 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

Rednecks make me lawl - but they're good people.  Nothin quite like southern hospitality.

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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: badchad]
    #9921789 - 03/06/09 09:12 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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badchad said:
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Swyfty Swyf said:
I get a kick out of movies that portray Alabama as everyone having a blue-tick hound on the front porch and driving an antique pick-up with a gun rack.





You mean thats not how it is?

In general, I think "red states" and or midwestern areas have more "hicks" and "rednecks" than coastal areas.




Yes, probably so.  I live in Huntsville which is 50% engineers not native to Alabama, so it is quite different from the stereotypical image of the South.  Most people don't even have an accent.

Like I said though, outside of the major cities it is like 99% Evangelical-Republicans.  We have alot of dry counties in Alabama.  Have you ever even heard of a dry county?  That means no alcohol sales.  People can buy alcohol outside of the counties and take it home, but it has to be in the trunk.  You could get arrested for having an unopened bottle of wine in a grocery bag in your backseat.

But in Huntsville, I can go to the Hookah Lounge and drink beer, wine, kratom infusions, smoke Salvia and Spice Gold and watch dirty movies all in one excellent public place!  :borfase:  It's quite different from county to county.


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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #9921809 - 03/06/09 09:19 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Swyfty Swyf said:
Don't alot of you folks have rednecks in the rural areas?




given that I'm about 5 minutes from alabama and in a rural area,
I suspect there may be a couple of rednecks here

Quote:

I would be interested in anyone's experience with their local rednecks.




they've all been fairly pleasant

keep in mind that the term redneck wasnt all that derogatory, it
was a term referring to farmers, they kept their eyes to the
dirt exposing the back of their neck to the sun, I guess all in
all I'm a redneck since I am a farmer




I heard the term came from West Virginian miners.  It used to be that the mining companies would fight against unionization, those who supported unionization showed their support by wearing red bandanas around their necks.


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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #9921837 - 03/06/09 09:25 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Swyfty Swyf said:
Don't alot of you folks have rednecks in the rural areas?




given that I'm about 5 minutes from alabama and in a rural area,
I suspect there may be a couple of rednecks here

Quote:

I would be interested in anyone's experience with their local rednecks.




they've all been fairly pleasant

keep in mind that the term redneck wasnt all that derogatory, it
was a term referring to farmers, they kept their eyes to the
dirt exposing the back of their neck to the sun, I guess all in
all I'm a redneck since I am a farmer




I like your perspective on this.  Do you find that alot of rednecks, though they may be nice folks, really have an unexcusable tendency to degrade the view of blacks as a whole?  I work in the construction field as an electrician (just an office asshole now) and I was always on the lookout for someone who has an accent that was not a racist, but I haven't found one yet!


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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #9921858 - 03/06/09 09:35 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

everybody is racist at some point or another so everyone is a racist. but i do agree the rednecks n hillbillies around here are all extremely racist.

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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #9921868 - 03/06/09 09:38 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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Swyfty Swyf said:
I like your perspective on this.  Do you find that alot of rednecks, though they may be nice folks, really have an unexcusable tendency to degrade the view of blacks as a whole?




honestly, there seems to be far less racism from both blacks and
whites out here, I believe it lends it's self to many things
some of which is that small town 'everyone knows everyone else'
and acceptance within the community, historically the area I'm
is has apparently been an oddity because there's many documents
that make reference to the blacks and indians in this area as
being well respected by the whites, one black family in
particular, free men prior to the civil war, owned a great deal
of land and several businesses


this was never a 'sundown' town

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I was always on the lookout for someone who has an accent that was not a racist, but I haven't found one yet!




I think maybe you look to find the racism, I've encountered more
racists in the large cities than I have in the rural areas, at
least until I've been up north... the racism I see in atlanta
comes more from blacks than whites, in the suburbs it's more
from whites, in both instances it tends to be those under 35
that really carry on the most, over 50 I rarely see it

but I'm also not looking for racists

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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9921972 - 03/06/09 10:06 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

I would say that most everyone I have confronted on their racism has been under 35, like you say.  And maybe I have been guilty of "looking for racists," but I really feel as if I stick my neck out alot, by speaking out against prejudice comments made by whites when no blacks are present.

As far as black people being racist, for the most part I don't feel that it is as offensive, seeing as how they are the group that has the history of being oppressed.

Example: I have heard white people say that blacks are racist because the NAACP is only out to advance blacks, and complain about what would be said if white people wanted to have an organization for the advancement of whites.  This is obviosly ridiculous, because of the fact that the reason African-Americans started the NAACP is because of their oppression by whites.

I have also heard alot of chatter about racism not being a problem in America, because we now have a black president.  But I don't see how having a black president is supposed to balance the tipping scale.  The racial disparities for people in prison for drug crimes is appalling.  I believe the majority of the reason for the disparities is racial profiling by redneck cops, who just happen to search alot more black peoples cars for drugs that whites.

So you really don't hear alot af white people complaining about black people?  I don't know how many co-workers I have heard make insinuations about how Barack Obama being in office is going to result in a disasterous event with welfare policy.  Ignorance abounds!


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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #9922003 - 03/06/09 10:15 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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As far as black people being racist, for the most part I don't feel that it is as offensive, seeing as how they are the group that has the history of being oppressed.




Give me a break... that so ignorant its shocking.  Lose the white guilt man.

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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: DieCommie]
    #9922033 - 03/06/09 10:24 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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SvampViking said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Swyfty Swyf said:
Don't alot of you folks have rednecks in the rural areas?




given that I'm about 5 minutes from alabama and in a rural area,
I suspect there may be a couple of rednecks here

Quote:

I would be interested in anyone's experience with their local rednecks.




they've all been fairly pleasant

keep in mind that the term redneck wasnt all that derogatory, it
was a term referring to farmers, they kept their eyes to the
dirt exposing the back of their neck to the sun, I guess all in
all I'm a redneck since I am a farmer




I heard the term came from West Virginian miners.  It used to be that the mining companies would fight against unionization, those who supported unionization showed their support by wearing red bandanas around their necks.




Yeah, I had always heard something like that as well.  I also remember seeing a thing on history channel or A&E or one of those channels a while back that also had said the same thing.


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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Geomancer]
    #9922035 - 03/06/09 10:24 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: DieCommie]
    #9922042 - 03/06/09 10:25 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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Qubit said:
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As far as black people being racist, for the most part I don't feel that it is as offensive, seeing as how they are the group that has the history of being oppressed.




Give me a break... that so ignorant its shocking.  Lose the white guilt man.




It is shocking to suggest that white racism has had a more negative effect than black racism in this country?  How so?

You are going to have to elaborate if want to offer a remote fraction of a valid point. 

I don't see what is so ignorant about that comment. 

What is a decent example of black racism, in your opinion?

I gave a few examples of white racism that I have encountered.


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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #9922059 - 03/06/09 10:32 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

the stereotype probably has to do with alabamas history of being one of the fiercest resistors of integration/civil rights and racist members of the state government


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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: 2859558484]
    #9922151 - 03/06/09 10:50 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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wowitch17 said:
the stereotype probably has to do with alabamas history of being one of the fiercest resistors of integration/civil rights and racist members of the state government




I agree.  Mississippi, too.  For some reason, Mississippi just doesn't have the punchline appeal, though.

Typically, movies making innocent fun of Southerners are set in Alabama and dramatic movies about the beginning of the civil rights era are set in Mississippi.


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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: 2859558484]
    #9922276 - 03/06/09 11:16 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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Swyfty Swyf said:
As far as black people being racist, for the most part I don't feel that it is as offensive, seeing as how they are the group that has the history of being oppressed.





you may have a lot more to learn about history, there is no
single group that has been oppressed, blacks oppressed blacks,
whites have oppressed whites, each has oppressed the other and
everyone has oppressed other races of people, if you wish to
toss religion into the mix then you're talking the same game
with new names... the japanese invaded china and killed and
oppressed millions, the chinese have done the same

to say blacks are entitled to be racists, that in it's self is racism

Quote:

Example: I have heard white people say that blacks are racist because the NAACP is only out to advance blacks, and complain about what would be said if white people wanted to have an organization for the advancement of whites.  This is obviosly ridiculous, because of the fact that the reason African-Americans started the NAACP is because of their oppression by whites.




are they wrong? is it wrong for the blacks to now oppress whites
through legislation preventing all white organizations, why is
there no eskimo history month, no indian television station, no
national association of white peoples... could it be because
some jokers have decided that discrimination against whites is
now acceptable?  the way I see things, discrimination is
discrimination regardless of who is on the receiving end

Quote:

I have also heard alot of chatter about racism not being a problem in America, because we now have a black president.  But I don't see how having a black president is supposed to balance the tipping scale.  The racial disparities for people in prison for drug crimes is appalling.





do you believe that blacks are unjustly accused, prosecuted or
convicted of crimes? is it possible that many of these hispanics
and african americans are actually innocent? are we expected to
believe that the judicial system is prejudiced and that many of
these convicts didnt have prior offenses or just try playing the
race card in court and having that affect their sentence, I know
if I were a judge the last thing I want to hear is 'this is
societies fault, may ancestors were slaves so now I hold up
liquor stores for my compensation'... excuses arent a suitable
defense nor do they display remorse for having comitted a crime

there's far too many blacks in positions of power, far too many
successful blacks, men and women that have graduated college,
earned degrees in many professions, these people are doctors,
lawyers, politicians, one even made it to the presidency, how is
it possible that they can claim this bias against them?

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I believe the majority of the reason for the disparities is racial profiling by redneck cops, who just happen to search alot more black peoples cars for drugs that whites.




I'd be all for that except for one things, modern cultural
stereo types, in the city of atlanta there are more black
officers than white, still more blacks are arrested for drugs,
I'm of the belief that music is a defining factor, take a loot
at whom many of these kids idolize, rappers that claim that
being gangsters and thugs is a righteous lifestyle, that dealing
drugs and drive by shootings are the way things should be
handled in the black community... hell, ask yourself, just how
many white gangs are there in america

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So you really don't hear alot af white people complaining about black people?  I don't know how many co-workers I have heard make insinuations about how Barack Obama being in office is going to result in a disasterous event with welfare policy.  Ignorance abounds!




I hear lots of complaints about barack, in fact if you look at
my sig, you'll see I'm no big fan and do a bit of bitching about
him myself, you'll be happy to know I'd bitch about any
president regardless of color, I did about carter and I was just
a kid, I did about reagan and nothing had changed, same with
both the bushs, and clinton... but I suppose that me disagreeing
wth a political goal of the new president makes me a racist
simply because he's black and I'm not, it surely couldnt be
because he's adopted bad policies and gone back on the most
important campaign promises he's made

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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9922294 - 03/06/09 11:19 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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Geomancer said:
Quote:

SvampViking said:
I heard the term came from West Virginian miners.  It used to be that the mining companies would fight against unionization, those who supported unionization showed their support by wearing red bandanas around their necks.




Yeah, I had always heard something like that as well.  I also remember seeing a thing on history channel or A&E or one of those channels a while back that also had said the same thing.





it was used in the US in the 1600s, before there were miners
in west virginia, before that it was in scotland, many that
opposed the church of england also wore the red cloth on their necks

because many of the settlers in the appalaichains were scottish
it was adopted during the miners strikes

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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9922499 - 03/06/09 12:01 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

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you may have a lot more to learn about history, there is no
single group that has been oppressed, blacks oppressed blacks,
whites have oppressed whites, each has oppressed the other and
everyone has oppressed other races of people, if you wish to
toss religion into the mix then you're talking the same game
with new names... the japanese invaded china and killed and
oppressed millions, the chinese have done the same

to say blacks are entitled to be racists, that in it's self is racism




It is outside of the point to bring up the genocide in Rwanda, for example, of blacks oppressing blacks.  I thought we were discussing America, where whites have consistently oppressed blacks and blacks have absolutely not oppressed whites.

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are they wrong? is it wrong for the blacks to now oppress whites
through legislation preventing all white organizations, why is
there no eskimo history month, no indian television station, no
national association of white peoples... could it be because
some jokers have decided that discrimination against whites is
now acceptable?  the way I see things, discrimination is
discrimination regardless of who is on the receiving end




What legislation?  I didn't realize that blacks were collectively banding together as one, in an effort to create laws to keep the white man down.  If there was any need for white people to advance from oppression, then I am all for the NAAWP!  But in reality-land, Jim Crow Laws and public lynchings greatly outweigh the injustices of Black Entertainment Television and Black History Month.

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do you believe that blacks are unjustly accused, prosecuted or
convicted of crimes? is it possible that many of these hispanics
and african americans are actually innocent? are we expected to
believe that the judicial system is prejudiced and that many of
these convicts didnt have prior offenses or just try playing the
race card in court and having that affect their sentence, I know
if I were a judge the last thing I want to hear is 'this is
societies fault, may ancestors were slaves so now I hold up
liquor stores for my compensation'... excuses arent a suitable
defense nor do they display remorse for having comitted a crime




Yes we are to believe that the judicial system is prejudiced.  This is not just my opinion.  I will brush up on my history of irrelevent oppressions of random cultures, as you suggest, but you may want to brush up on your current events.  2008 saw the release of not one but three reports documenting in exhaustive detail how extremely skewed drug policing is in terms of the way it targets minorities. (Actually, one of the reports was released in December 2007, but whatever.)  The reports are Human Rights Watch: Targeting Blacks: Drug Law Enforcment and Race in the United States (May 2008), The Sentencing Project: Disparity by Geography: The War on Drugs in America's Cities (May 2008), and the Justice Policy Institute: The Vortex: The Concentrated Racial Impact of Drug Imprisonment and the Characteristics of Punitive Counties (December 2007).  These three reports all document one basic reality, which is that all people use drugs, no matter whether they are rich or poor, no matter what color their skin might be, and no matter what part of town they live in. Drug policing, drug arrests and drug prosecutions, however, focus overwhelmingly on street-level interdiction in poor, minority neighborhoods, where it takes the least work for cops to make busts. The result is nothing more and nothing less than what can be seen any day of the week by walking into any state's Superior Court and checking out who is on trial: it's overwhelmingly poor people and minorities. It's overwhelmingly the hapless and the helpless, people who are just being ground through the mill of of a dysfunctional system and don't have any way to break free.


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