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50/50+ or straight verm
    #9828140 - 02/19/09 05:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

ok everyone,  i hope to get some input from some trusted cultivators on this or anyone with experience.  would you choose straight verm or the 50/50+ tek to go into a greenhouse? or possibly no casing at all.

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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: madhatter5173]
    #9828304 - 02/19/09 06:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

ive been wondering the same thing... the RR video on youtube says just use verm.

Ive had great results with the 50 peat 50 verm dunk n roll teq.

I would recommend always casing & dunking before sticking your cakes in to fruit.

But hey if RR says 100% verm works, why not give it a try ;]

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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: madhatter5173]
    #9828321 - 02/19/09 06:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

You will get a lot of different opinions if you ask that. People have had success with 50/50, pure verm, wax paper, or no casing whatsoever.

Any should work. But i am just a beginner and have not tried doing bulk yet...

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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: ABC]
    #9828366 - 02/19/09 06:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Not casing only works if you plan your substrate right. From what I understand it takes a decent amount of Coir or verm in the substrate to keep enough moisture to make casing unnecessary.


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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9828696 - 02/19/09 07:01 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

the hypothetical situation would be using a straight coir bulk spawn with rye grain going into a marth style greenhouse.  low humidity shouldnt be an issue in it, it runs in the high 80's to low 90's.

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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: madhatter5173]
    #9828771 - 02/19/09 07:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

if your using straight coir the common consensus is: fuck it, don't bother casing.

Often people complain straight coir has a nitrogen deficiency, often it can be made up for by using a small amount of spent coffee grounds or poo. I would suggest adding some hpoo compost and some vermiculite to air out the substrate as well. I know Eatyualive actually says a 1:1:1 of hpoo/coir/verm is the best. I've not done enough work with substrates to say for sure but eatyualive is a pretty good cultivator.


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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9828796 - 02/19/09 07:12 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, to be honest, I've tried coir with coffee and gypsum, and the difference is so minuscule, that I say fuck it... I just go straight coir now + no casing now.

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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: iamsmooth]
    #9828964 - 02/19/09 07:35 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

so there was not a large difference in yield in the cased coir as opposed to uncased?  hypothetically, i can deal with a very small loss in yield for a few less headaches.  what do you guys consider the best way to dunk a bulk substrate.  ive heard just misting it is sufficient ?

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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: madhatter5173]
    #9829091 - 02/19/09 07:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Straight verm sucks as a casing in my opinion.


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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: madhatter5173]
    #9829127 - 02/19/09 08:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Bulk substrate in a green house = no casing layer from my experience . Be it coir or straight h/poo as a sub.

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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: madhatter5173]
    #9829211 - 02/19/09 08:14 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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madhatter5173 said:
so there was not a large difference in yield in the cased coir as opposed to uncased?  hypothetically, i can deal with a very small loss in yield for a few less headaches.  what do you guys consider the best way to dunk a bulk substrate.  ive heard just misting it is sufficient ?




There is a difference in yield is what I'm saying. I seem to get more mushrooms from not casing a bulk substrate. So technically, it's less work, and more yield.

When I dunk a bulk, I just put it in the sink, leave the tap on with a small steady stream, then I weight the sub down with two tupperwares on each side filled with water. Then I let it stay there for 12-24 hours.

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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: HippieChick]
    #9829218 - 02/19/09 08:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

HC, how do you incubate your sub.?

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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: madhatter5173]
    #9829258 - 02/19/09 08:20 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I don't incubate subs or spawn . Room temp is just fine . A bulk sub will produce its own 10-15 degree raise while colonizing , and as much as 20 , so room temp is more than adequate .



Check out the thermometer . I ran a sensor into the center of a colonizing sub . 75 degree room temp , 94 degrees in the center of the colonizing bulk sub .

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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: HippieChick]
    #9829291 - 02/19/09 08:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

so would putting them in the FC with everything cut off work?

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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: madhatter5173]
    #9829445 - 02/19/09 08:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Sure . Colonizing subs like higher CO2 levels .

I now incubate my subs in a plain greenhouse . Zip it up , helps keep out contams and keeps down the fresh air , and let them colonize .:thumbup:

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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: madhatter5173]
    #9829704 - 02/19/09 09:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I'm a firm believer in straight coir.  It is about as simple to use as gravity :lol:

I have even gone so far as to not pasturize it with no ill effects - but I grow just for me and a few friends, so I spawn at a very high rate, like 3:1.  I have gone back to pasteurizing because it seems to speed colonization up by 2-3 days, but for dirt simple grows, wbs-coir is as easy as it gets.



This damn thing had more pins on the sides and bottom than the top, so I flipped it over.  They were as potent as a baseball bat, but I never go more than 2 flushes off coir because the potency decreases an insane amount after the first flush.

I have a small grow log in my journal if you want to see the whole process I use.

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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: Srirachi]
    #9829749 - 02/19/09 09:28 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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but I never go more than 2 flushes off coir because the potency decreases an insane amount after the first flush.




I think this is caused by the low nitrogen and the reason for using nitrogen boosters. Though I've heard coffee grounds gets used up in the sub faster than poo. Don't know if that claim is particularly reputable though.

Though even at the best of substrates for cubes I've only heard of people getting 3 or 4 flushes tops.


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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9829875 - 02/19/09 09:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I agree re the nitrogen.  I think shroomy1 mentioned going 7 flushes recently but I don't remember on what.

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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9829914 - 02/19/09 09:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Though even at the best of substrates for cubes I've only heard of people getting 3 or 4 flushes tops.




Check some of the later pics in this thread 

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5545848#Post5545848

I got plenty of fifth flushes with decent yield:thumbup:

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Re: 50/50+ or straight verm [Re: Srirachi]
    #9830067 - 02/19/09 10:07 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks I put it up so that people in the political discussion forum wouldn't forget that I'm an anarchist not a partisan and I'm not interested in their two sided bullshit.


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