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trigger
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Unidentified active in Michigan
#9778560 - 02/11/09 02:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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red)
They fruit in higher numbers after a mild rain flooding, and dry up during the hottest points in the summer, when only a few could be found. The first two years of growth, they were directly on the woodchip piles, but on the third year had migrated to growing more in the foliage than directly on the woodchips, and some were larger, (up to 15mm around the caps)
The mushrooms are moderately potent.
For the past few years I have postponed getting these correctly identified for personal reasons, however, I am now looking for any help available on identifying these mushrooms.
Here are some updated pictures (taken over this summer)
Edited by trigger (03/06/09 11:03 PM)
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: trigger]
#9778640 - 02/11/09 02:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Holy poop!
Looks like Conocybe smithii.
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: landsnorkler]
#9778702 - 02/11/09 02:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those are awesome man, best pictures of bluing Conocybes I've seen. If you still have samples or spores I bet some people on here could confirm an ID for you. Plus it would be good to save and spread spores from your collection. They're pretty rare. Great find!
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: landsnorkler]
#9778715 - 02/11/09 02:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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The spore color and gill spacing don't look right for Psilocybe silvatica...neither does the cap. Looks like a Conocybe of some type. Was the habitat mossy? Didn't you send spores to Workman the first time around?
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Re: Unidentified Psilocybe in Michigan [Re: Bobzimmer]
#9778782 - 02/11/09 02:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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habitathabitat was sandy wood chips, mostly dry high ground retaining no water for miles. see the following link for more detailshere
as for smithii its a possibility yet habitat and season are way off, the largest fruits of the unidentified were in the fall rainy season.
the below were found nearby
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Edited by trigger (02/11/09 03:03 PM)
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Re: Unidentified Psilocybe in Michigan [Re: trigger]
#9778814 - 02/11/09 03:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, smithii is just a possibility. They have been found in Michigan. I'm pretty sure it's a Conocybe though.
Interesting habitat.
What are those other blue capped guys, they look interesting too.
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Re: Unidentified Psilocybe in Michigan [Re: trigger]
#9778827 - 02/11/09 03:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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iam willing to send out prints, i had reason not to, prior to now.
as for the blues...
these are unidentified as well.
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Edited by trigger (02/11/09 03:11 PM)
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: Bobzimmer]
#9778853 - 02/11/09 03:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bobzimmer said: Didn't you send spores to Workman the first time around?
Nope. I am more hopeful now. PM (re)sent.
I agree that it looks to be some sort of active Conocybe, but only a microscopic examination can confim that.
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: Workman]
#9778879 - 02/11/09 03:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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i apologize for my delay
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: Workman]
#9778909 - 02/11/09 03:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea probably a Conocybe, extremely cool! C. smithii seems to like moss so maybe this is C. cyanopus. It meets the description of both of those mushrooms pretty well.
A good technical description of C. cyanopus / smithii is here. (C. smithii on the next couple pages)
Pictures of this quality are extremely rare, thanks for posting this!
I have no idea on the blue ones. They almost look like a Psilocybe or Stropharia. Do the stems blue too? Any idea what the spore print color is?
Are these some of the first things to fruit in the spring when the snow melts?
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How many active Galerinas are known?...(besides Curecat's cool find)
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: Bobzimmer]
#9779016 - 02/11/09 03:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just one. (G. steglichii)
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landsnorkler
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Yep, that was another thought I had, but they look more like Conocybes.
Man, those blue capped guys look an awful lot like weilii, or something in that section. The lack of bluing on the stipe makes me apprehensive about Psilocybe, but crazy finds nonetheless. What a productive habitat.
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: landsnorkler]
#9779130 - 02/11/09 03:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe it's Psilocybe caerulea, or something like that.
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: Bobzimmer]
#9779148 - 02/11/09 04:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. One of those blue Stropharias.
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: landsnorkler]
#9779155 - 02/11/09 04:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep, that was another thought I had, but they look more like Conocybes.
Yea, matches the macroscopic description of the active Conocybes really well.
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Maybe it's Psilocybe caerulea, or something like that.
Good guess. Personally I don't accept Paul Stamets moving of a bunch of Stropharia into Psilocybe.
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Good guess. Personally I don't accept Paul Stamets moving of a bunch of Stropharia into Psilocybe.
You're right. I used Stamets' book as a reference, so it came out Psilocybe instead of Stropharia.
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: Bobzimmer]
#9779423 - 02/11/09 04:41 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is Noordeloos' fault, Stamets just agreed with it. But now that there is better genetic information that cleanly separates the active Psilocybes (Psychedelia) from the nonactive Psilocybes maybe it will go back to Stropharia.
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: Workman]
#9779553 - 02/11/09 04:59 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the info. I will quit blaming Stamets for that. I need to read FAL.
I just checked BLAST for Stropharia aeruginosa and it agrees with you. Hebeloma and Pholiota are closer to Stropharia aeruginosa than the inactive Psilocybes are.
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: Workman]
#9779565 - 02/11/09 05:01 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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the first ones in question started fruiting at the end of morel season around the time the thick foot morels come out
as for the "blue" mushrooms habitat; decomposing wood leaves, directly from wood, on a wood mulch, cardboard, shady under a brush pile, mostly sand, in a clear cut.
cap; 1-2,1/2 inch, dark blue, green tones, sky blue, brown, burnt cream to a near white, blue stronger on smaller specimens, some what fragile, striped lines on cap near margin, some humped, some flat.
gills; free, close, whit on small, cream white to brown, to rusty brown.
stem; 2-4", 1/4th" to 1/8th" thick, white, blue and brown tones, fibrous, sock shaped base, some bluing, stronger on smaller specimens, dark blue inside base, mycelium white.
spores; a rusty brown see pic here https://files.shroomery.org/files/07-37/949367022-blueothers_074.jpg
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