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Cerebus
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Dunk & Roll VS. Just Dunking (lesson learned) w/ PICS
#9730109 - 02/03/09 06:28 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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So, this is my first grow after a 6 year hiatus...
I tried some new things, including the Dunk & Roll tek. I only had four cakes to start, dunking and rolling the first three. One of the three did okay, as seen here.
But the other two have been slow... almost two weeks and one hasn't even pinned yet. The other looks like this:
Now, the fourth cake was dunked 24 hours and it looks like this as of 5 minutes ago:
My first thought was that the dunk was better. Then I realized that I let the fourth cake sit an extra 5 days before I birthed it...
The lesson learned here (that I'm sure all you pros already know)... let your cakes consolidate for about a week after full colonization! Works wonders apparently.
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Edited by Cerebus (02/03/09 06:30 PM)
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West
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Re: Dunk & Roll VS. Just Dunking (lesson learned) w/ PICS [Re: Cerebus]
#9730261 - 02/03/09 06:56 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hows the FAE?
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Cerebus
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Re: Dunk & Roll VS. Just Dunking (lesson learned) w/ PICS [Re: West]
#9730293 - 02/03/09 07:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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West said: Hows the FAE?
I'm guilty of poor FAE. I'm hesitant to drill holes since my house is so dry, even though the ultrasonice that I have hooked up to the FC rocks.
Typically I fan once in the morning before I go to work, my wife fans twice while I'm at work, and I fan 3 more times throughout the rest of the evening. So, about 6 fannings a day. Seems to do okay.
I'm PC'ing my first batch of grain right now and plan to have a small 4-shelf green house with the ultrasonic and an automated fan of some sort hooked up to it.
Suggestions welcome!
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veda_sticks
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Re: Dunk & Roll VS. Just Dunking (lesson learned) w/ PICS [Re: Cerebus]
#9730329 - 02/03/09 07:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fresh air exchange is more important than high humidity. Your fruiting chamber will easily maintain 99% with holes in it and an ultrasonic humidifier.
How low is your ambient rh?
Always wait 7 days after full colinisation. This allows the mycelium to consolidate its hold on the substrate. The myc will use this time to eat food preperaing for fruiting.
If you birth early, it will more than likely just sit there drying out before fruiting./
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Cerebus
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Re: Dunk & Roll VS. Just Dunking (lesson learned) w/ PICS [Re: veda_sticks]
#9730349 - 02/03/09 07:14 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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veda_sticks said: Fresh air exchange is more important than high humidity. Your fruiting chamber will easily maintain 99% with holes in it and an ultrasonic humidifier.
How low is your ambient rh?
Always wait 7 days after full colinisation. This allows the mycelium to consolidate its hold on the substrate. The myc will use this time to eat food preperaing for fruiting.
If you birth early, it will more than likely just sit there drying out before fruiting./
I have 10 cakes at about 90% colonization sitting in the incubator right now. I will drill holes before that next batch gets birthed for sure. After I wait a full 7 days... I'm a believer!
Should I use polyfil in the holes as many suggest, or just leave them be? rh in the house is around 20%.
I greatly appreciate the input!
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veda_sticks
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Re: Dunk & Roll VS. Just Dunking (lesson learned) w/ PICS [Re: Cerebus]
#9730371 - 02/03/09 07:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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No you dont need to filter air for fruiting chambers. fully colinised substrate is resistant to contaminaiton. Polyfill doesnt quite allow FAE, it allows gases to pass through.
www.mushroomvideos.com and click terrarium tek
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Rock80
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Re: Dunk & Roll VS. Just Dunking (lesson learned) w/ PICS [Re: veda_sticks]
#10499377 - 06/13/09 11:44 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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How many holes should be drilled in the FC and how far apart should they be spaced?
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veda_sticks
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Re: Dunk & Roll VS. Just Dunking (lesson learned) w/ PICS [Re: Rock80]
#10499522 - 06/13/09 12:23 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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1/4 inch holes on every side unlcuding the top and bottom, 2-3 inches apart.
-------------------- PF TEK - writeup by EvilMushroom666 Lets Grow Mushrooms - RogerRabbit & RoadKills website with sample videos plus the full PF TEK video series. Alot of great information - BUY THE DVD Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong Franks Simple Coir/Verm Tek Franks Proper Pasturisation Tek Franks Spawning To Bulk - Monotub Professor Pinheads RTV Injection Port Tek Foo Mans No Soak WBS Prep Tek
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shroomrookie
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Re: Dunk & Roll VS. Just Dunking (lesson learned) w/ PICS [Re: veda_sticks]
#10499540 - 06/13/09 12:31 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for that answer Veda_sticks. I had wondered about that myself. It seemed to me that the polifil would inhibit FAE but I had no information to challenge that practice. Thanks again.
SR
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jimmybob
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Re: Dunk & Roll VS. Just Dunking (lesson learned) w/ PICS [Re: Cerebus]
#10499577 - 06/13/09 12:45 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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im not trying to be smart or anything, just trying to learn like the next guy.. but im just wondering what the lesson learned was w/ dunking & rolling vs. just dunking (as the title of the thread states).. i see that its good to let the cakes consolidate after full colonization, but is there a difference in fruiting when you just dunk vs. dunk n roll? thanks
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newshOne
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Re: Dunk & Roll VS. Just Dunking (lesson learned) w/ PICS [Re: jimmybob]
#10499638 - 06/13/09 01:03 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Correct me if im wrong but... Perhaps humidity played the determining factor in your case.
Since your humidity looks to be like its pretty high, the rolled cakes had an even higher humidity due to the microclimate that was created with the "roll" while the dunked only cakes thrived in a much more optimum fruiting climate.
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Dunk & Roll VS. Just Dunking (lesson learned) w/ PICS [Re: jimmybob]
#10499645 - 06/13/09 01:05 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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The roll in dry verm after dunking serves as a sort of mini-casing layer over the cake and if done correctly will greatly improve pinsets.
Both dunk and roll and the shotgun terrarium tek are demonstrated in this video. RR
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shroomrookie
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Re: Dunk & Roll VS. Just Dunking (lesson learned) w/ PICS [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10506545 - 06/14/09 07:47 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi RR,
I usually case my shrooms but I do a variety of things with them. I've decided to try DNR. I thought I read where rolling them in 50/50 was better than straight verm. What are your thoughts?
SR
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joska87
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Re: Dunk & Roll VS. Just Dunking (lesson learned) w/ PICS [Re: shroomrookie]
#11162132 - 10/01/09 04:47 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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i think that rolling in 50/50 would be difficult because its already moist and will have trouble sticking to the cakes....if your gonna make some 50/50 i would just case em whole or crumbled...
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