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Why the Dutch are ahead of the game
    #9654736 - 01/21/09 08:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

How da ya like this socialism?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7842344.stm



Islam film Dutch MP to be charged 

A Dutch court has ordered prosecutors to put a right-wing politician on trial for making anti-Islamic statements.

Freedom Party leader Geert Wilders made a controversial film last year equating Islam with violence and has likened the Koran to Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf.

"In a democratic system, hate speech is considered so serious that it is in the general interest to... draw a clear line," the court in Amsterdam said.

Mr Wilders said the judgement was an "attack on the freedom of expression".

"Participation in the public debate has become a dangerous activity. If you give your opinion, you risk being prosecuted," he said.

Not only he, but all Dutch citizens opposed to the "Islamisation" of their country would be on trial, Mr Wilders warned.

"Who will stand up for our culture if I am silenced?" he added.

'Incitement'

The three judges said that they had weighed Mr Wilders's "one-sided generalisations" against his right to free speech, and ruled that he had gone beyond the normal leeway granted to politicians.

  This is a happy day for all followers of Islam who do not want to be tossed on the garbage dump of Nazism

"The Amsterdam appeals court has ordered the prosecution of member of parliament Geert Wilders for inciting hatred and discrimination, based on comments by him in various media on Muslims and their beliefs," the court said in a statement.

"The court also considers appropriate criminal prosecution for insulting Muslim worshippers because of comparisons between Islam and Nazism made by Wilders," it added.

The court's ruling reverses a decision last year by the public prosecutor's office, which said Mr Wilders's comments had been made outside parliament as a contribution to the debate on Islam in Dutch society and that no criminal offence had been committed.

Prosecutors said on Wednesday that they could not appeal against the judgement and would open an investigation immediately.

Gerard Spong, a prominent lawyer who pushed for Mr Wilders's prosecution, welcomed the court's decision.

"This is a happy day for all followers of Islam who do not want to be tossed on the garbage dump of Nazism," he told reporters.

'Fascist book'

In March 2008, Mr Wilders posted a film about the Koran on the internet, prompting angry protests across the Muslim World.



Geert Wilders speaking on BBC Hardtalk in August 2008
The opening scenes of Fitna - a Koranic term sometimes translated as "strife" - show a copy of the holy book followed by footage of the bomb attacks on the US on 11 September 2001, London in July 2005 and Madrid in March 2004.

Pictures appearing to show Muslim demonstrators holding up placards saying "God bless Hitler" and "Freedom go to hell" also feature.

The film ends with the statement: "Stop Islamisation. Defend our freedom."

Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende said at the time that the film wrongly equated Islam with violence and served "no purpose other than to offend".

A year earlier, Mr Wilders described the Koran as a "fascist book" and called for it to be banned in "the same way we ban Mein Kampf", in a letter published in the De Volkskrant newspaper.

Mr Wilders has had police protection since Dutch director Theo Van Gogh was killed by a radical Islamist in 2004.

Correspondents say his Freedom Party (PVV), which has nine MPs in the lower house of parliament, has built its popularity largely by tapping into the fear and resentment of Muslim immigrants.


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Re: Why the Dutch are ahead of the game [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #9655809 - 01/21/09 10:50 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

note that it says he is being charged. I doubt he'll be convicted of anything. It's likely that some people just want the negative publicity to kill his campaigning.


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Re: Why the Dutch are ahead of the game [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #9657053 - 01/22/09 04:31 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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The opening scenes of Fitna - a Koranic term sometimes translated as "strife" - show a copy of the holy book followed by footage of the bomb attacks on the US on 11 September 2001, London in July 2005 and Madrid in March 2004.





Subtle.


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Re: Why the Dutch are ahead of the game [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #9657068 - 01/22/09 04:42 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

> How da ya like this socialism?

I don't, but I am curious why you link socialism to an attack on freedom of expression?  There are many non-socialist countries that do not allow people this freedom.


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Re: Why the Dutch are ahead of the game [Re: Seuss]
    #9657305 - 01/22/09 07:19 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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> How da ya like this socialism?

I don't, but I am curious why you link socialism to an attack on freedom of expression?  There are many non-socialist countries that do not allow people this freedom.




Thank you. I was hoping someone would make this connection.

To address the original post, though, I have to agree that this is nonsensical. Every time I see someone punished for not committing any harm against any other person, I just can't understand it.

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Re: Why the Dutch are ahead of the game [Re: Redstorm]
    #9657378 - 01/22/09 08:02 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

yep, same as the drugs and stuff.

Its your right to talk.  Bullshit like this is uncalled for.


"hate speech" is a nebulous concept- I've never seen it defined.  By its very nature it seems to only punish selective examples.  Can I get the retards that call our victimless criminals violent thiefs prosecuted please?  They encourage erroneous perceptions and harmful actions.

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Re: Why the Dutch are ahead of the game [Re: Seuss]
    #9658903 - 01/22/09 01:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not branding that all socialism does inhibit freedom of expression.....but rather a country that some consider at the forefront of the socialistic        power curve, do indeed do so (or least a high court ruled to indeed try to do so).

Thus, I found it intriguing enough to post it.....on second thought, your question is very valid given the abruptness of my post.

I found this very strange....much like when France's Sarkozy tried to get voodoo dolls of his likeness removed from the public arena


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Why the Dutch are ahead of the game [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #9658956 - 01/22/09 01:29 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think its strange that people still, for some reason, assume that most modern industrial countries have freedom of speech.  Its quite the opposite.

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