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 NosLaser
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 Changes to PF Tek jars 
#9643183 - 01/20/09 12:58 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know many people here are a big fan of the PF Tek for both the nutrients and simplicity it provides, and that although simple, it took years of trial and error to come up with that formula. That being said, what would your opinion be of the following formula in 1/2 pint jars:
Horse Dung
Organic Brown Rice Flour Freshly Ground
Organic Worm Castings
Organic Bee Pollen
Horticulture Grade Vermiculite
Mineral Water
Vermiculite/peat moss casing layer
Thank you in advance.
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 FooMan
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Re: Changes to PF Tek jars [Re: NosLaser]
#9643234 - 01/20/09 01:08 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sure, why not. I don't know how much difference it would make in your yield. Brown rice has plenty of nutes by itself. Maybe do a side by side comparison of a standard formula jar next to your mix.
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NosLaser
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Re: Changes to PF Tek jars [Re: FooMan]
#9643248 - 01/20/09 01:11 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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One of the main things I am concerned with aside from increasing nutrients, is I wonder if the addition of those other items hold any higher risk for contamination than just BRF and Verm.
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Re: Changes to PF Tek jars [Re: NosLaser]
#9643267 - 01/20/09 01:16 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is no additional risk that I can think of. Just use the dry verm top layer like you normally would, sterilize the jars properly and use viable inoculant and you should be good to go. Make sure you get the water content right though. Too much water can cause stalled growth and possible contams.
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Re: Changes to PF Tek jars [Re: NosLaser]
#9643272 - 01/20/09 01:18 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just noticed you said "verm/peat" casing layer. Don't use peat as part of the dry top layer if that's what you meant.
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Re: Changes to PF Tek jars [Re: NosLaser]
#9643697 - 01/20/09 03:52 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
NosLaser said:
I know many people here are a big fan of the PF Tek for both the nutrients and simplicity it provides, and that although simple, it took years of trial and error to come up with that formula. That being said, what would your opinion be of the following formula in 1/2 pint jars:
Horse Dung
Organic Brown Rice Flour Freshly Ground
Organic Worm Castings
Organic Bee Pollen
Horticulture Grade Vermiculite
Mineral Water
Vermiculite/peat moss casing layer
Thank you in advance.
It is a waste of space in my opinion.
Because you are only using little half pint jars I imagine you want a bigger bang for your buck.
There is no substrate more efficient (as in weight per weight, not time efficient) than Verm+BRF.
Bulk substrates are much less efficient than grains as they contain less food, but it is so much easier to prepare huge amounts of them by pasteurizing that the extra weight of substrate compensates for the reduced efficiency.
But in your case, where you will be having a set amount of space to produce your substrate in (X amount of jars) you want the maximum efficiency.
If you want to do it as an experiment please do so, but don't expect it to increase your yields or your potency.
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Re: Changes to PF Tek jars [Re: Nibin]
#9643877 - 01/20/09 05:46 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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i'd like to know the results.
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Re: Changes to PF Tek jars [Re: Nibin]
#9644050 - 01/20/09 07:07 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Nibin said:
Quote:
NosLaser said:
I know many people here are a big fan of the PF Tek for both the nutrients and simplicity it provides, and that although simple, it took years of trial and error to come up with that formula. That being said, what would your opinion be of the following formula in 1/2 pint jars:
Horse Dung
Organic Brown Rice Flour Freshly Ground
Organic Worm Castings
Organic Bee Pollen
Horticulture Grade Vermiculite
Mineral Water
Vermiculite/peat moss casing layer
Thank you in advance.
It is a waste of space in my opinion.
Because you are only using little half pint jars I imagine you want a bigger bang for your buck.
There is no substrate more efficient (as in weight per weight, not time efficient) than Verm+BRF.
Bulk substrates are much less efficient than grains as they contain less food, but it is so much easier to prepare huge amounts of them by pasteurizing that the extra weight of substrate compensates for the reduced efficiency.
But in your case, where you will be having a set amount of space to produce your substrate in (X amount of jars) you want the maximum efficiency.
If you want to do it as an experiment please do so, but don't expect it to increase your yields or your potency.
Agreed.
If you want to add anything to the pf tek you can hydrate your verm with half strength drinking coffee. Also adding gypsum is a good additive also.
Theres no harm in trying though.
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Re: Changes to PF Tek jars [Re: FooMan]
#9644969 - 01/20/09 10:40 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
FooMan said:
I just noticed you said "verm/peat" casing layer. Don't use peat as part of the dry top layer if that's what you meant.
Would there be any specific drawbacks?
And thank you all for the responses. This is what I was looking for. I'm asking these questions for a reason, and I also think threads like these help others promote some creative thinking.
Let me also say that I am vulnerable to the knowledge base available here, and am using this thread to learn a lot as well. Thanks.
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Re: Changes to PF Tek jars [Re: NosLaser]
#9645002 - 01/20/09 10:46 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I personally like just adding half coffee to my total water measurment I think this works well!! ___>E
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Re: Changes to PF Tek jars [Re: NosLaser]
#9645017 - 01/20/09 10:50 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have done manure based cakes before on several occasions.
I have used all the ingredients you listed above, with the exception of bee pollen and peat. Peat shouldn't be in a substrate anyways. I also had gypsum, straw and various grain flours in some jars(amarenth and quinoa. The jars worked fine and the only difference noted was the increased rhizo's on the manure compared to the brf/verm cakes.
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