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OfflineAural Sects
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Natural alternative to MDMA?
    #9642809 - 01/19/09 11:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

does there exist a natural alternative to mdma?


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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: Aural Sects]
    #9642913 - 01/19/09 11:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

There supposedly is, but i highly doubt it, look up: herbal extacy..or something like that. never tried it myself, as i am sure it's bunk


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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: SalviNate]
    #9642919 - 01/20/09 12:01 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Ive heard the imitation drugs are nothing like mdma at all.

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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: Aural Sects]
    #9642961 - 01/20/09 12:08 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Aural Sects said:
does there exist a natural alternative to mdma?





No.


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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: LSDXM]
    #9642979 - 01/20/09 12:11 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Krash Kharma said:
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Aural Sects said:
does there exist a natural alternative to mdma?





No.




hey if humans can make it, it must be somewhere on earth :wink:


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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: Aural Sects]
    #9643001 - 01/20/09 12:16 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Eat absolutely SHITLOADS of turkey, until you almost die.


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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: burgatory]
    #9643009 - 01/20/09 12:18 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:crazy2:


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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: burgatory]
    #9643012 - 01/20/09 12:18 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You won't roll from that. You'll just get incredibly tired.

Maybe you'll be extra trusting and cuddling will feel good, but you won't be rolling.

@AuralSects,
yeah
It's called the Sassafras tree.


BZP does NOT = E, no matter how many companies say it does.


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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: SalviNate]
    #9643031 - 01/20/09 12:23 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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SalviNate said:
There supposedly is, but i highly doubt it, look up: herbal extacy..or something like that. never tried it myself, as i am sure it's bunk



two good friends of mine have tried this stuff, with poor results.  one of them didn't feel anything at all, and the other said it felt like a robo trip, without the body buzz  :shrug:


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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: LSDXM]
    #9643060 - 01/20/09 12:32 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Krash Kharma said:
You won't roll from that. You'll just get incredibly tired.

Maybe you'll be extra trusting and cuddling will feel good, but you won't be rolling.

@AuralSects,
yeah
It's called the Sassafras tree.


BZP does NOT = E, no matter how many companies say it does.



wrong, safrole in and of itself isn't psychoactive its jsut a precursor to more fun compounds.


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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: mellontatauda]
    #9643062 - 01/20/09 12:32 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yes. Marijuana.


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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: Aural Sects]
    #9643120 - 01/20/09 12:46 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Methamphetamine but I highly discourage using it. It's found in Acacia berlandieri and possibly Acacia rigidula. :meff:


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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: Aural Sects]
    #9643218 - 01/20/09 01:05 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Some hippy type I got into an argument with said something about BZP being the "natural" alternative to MDMA.  I knew she was dumb from the looks of her and usually it does not work that way. :wink:


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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: Aural Sects]
    #9643268 - 01/20/09 01:17 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Nutmeg contains safrole and myristicin both of which are structurally similar and give a noticeable high.


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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: 7734591202]
    #9645113 - 01/20/09 11:09 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Nutmeg is awesome, but I wouldn't recommend it as an E alternative


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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: LSDXM]
    #9645252 - 01/20/09 11:40 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I've never found anything to capture the unique "magic" of MDMA. It depends what you mean. The psychedelic effects, the body effects, what? The closest I've ever come (or rather, gone beyond) mentally is the spiritual ecstasy of oral DMT. Same empathogenic effects and thoughts. Mescaline also produces those.

The body rush of DMT/harmala is like rolling, the difference being that you feel a lot free-er. On MDMA you can feel momentum when you move and that's lacking.

The closest ever to the MDMA state I have been is on syrian rue alone. In my experience this doesn't produce the psychedelic effects but it produces EVERYTHING else, it just feels slightly "off". Syrian rue is amazing, take a low dose on the threshold of getting psychedelic effects, if you're seeing ghostly tracers then you've taken too much.

I'm sure in a few years the actual "magic" will be traced down to some brain chemical or other and we'll find ways to get it going. Until then, settle for the dizzle or if you want "herbal ecstasy" then syrian rue is very good at handling that. Throw in a very low dose of DMT and it's a nice substitute. You're not getting any closer to MDMA than low dose ayahuasca, I've had enough gram in me to know the molly inside and out. Of course I haven't tried a lot of other drugs so I'm open to all views. I thought 2C-B was meant to be the closest?


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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: crkhd]
    #9645938 - 01/20/09 01:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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crkhd said:The closest ever to the MDMA state I have been is on syrian rue alone. In my experience this doesn't produce the psychedelic effects but it produces EVERYTHING else, it just feels slightly "off". Syrian rue is amazing, take a low dose on the threshold of getting psychedelic effects, if you're seeing ghostly tracers then you've taken too much.



I tend to agree.  The experience of an MAO-Inhibitor like Syrian Rue is probably most similar to MDMA of any single natural substance I've taken.  Maybe some combination of Syrian Rue (or equivalent) with the proper doses of a natural stimulant and a hallucinogen would yield an experience vaguely approximating that of MDMA.  (Of course proper safety precautions must be followed with MAOIs.)

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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: Land_Crab]
    #9646953 - 01/20/09 04:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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crkhd said:The closest ever to the MDMA state I have been is on syrian rue alone. In my experience this doesn't produce the psychedelic effects but it produces EVERYTHING else, it just feels slightly "off". Syrian rue is amazing, take a low dose on the threshold of getting psychedelic effects, if you're seeing ghostly tracers then you've taken too much.



I tend to agree.  The experience of an MAO-Inhibitor like Syrian Rue is probably most similar to MDMA of any single natural substance I've taken.  Maybe some combination of Syrian Rue (or equivalent) with the proper doses of a natural stimulant and a hallucinogen would yield an experience vaguely approximating that of MDMA.  (Of course proper safety precautions must be followed with MAOIs.)




hmm this sounds interesting but what stimulants have been known to be safe with syrian rue? i could imagine taking a low dose of LSA (with peppermint oil) with rue extract.... would this work? it sounds like it could be an alternative. has anyone done this?


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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: Aural Sects]
    #9647101 - 01/20/09 05:11 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Ecstasy is a Phenethylamine alkaloid; a combination of a stimulant and a psychedelic. If you wanted to find something similar that is natural I would think Mescaline. Perhaps with a stimulant to achieve the rush, such as an amphetamine.


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Re: Natural alternative to MDMA? [Re: Snacks]
    #9647163 - 01/20/09 05:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm...

I think I just answered my own question...

The Guajillo Plant

AND it's in my neck of the woods :laugh:

life is so good to me...


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