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Projection is essentialy an opinion about a person or situation that may or may not have any basis in reality; however the projector feels strongly that he/she is correct and will disregard all other times when he/she was in error and invest emotionally in this current postion regardless of its veracity or even in the face of contravening evidence.
Basically it is the antithesis to the search for truth; the opposite of open-mindedness; a self-limiting rigidness that allows no new data in.
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Heh...Earlier I was considering making a thread asking when projection is itself projected onto others. I decided against it as I was afraid it would appear too personal in light of recent discussions.
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Actually I think projection is merely a type of assumption.. we all do it all the time. all assumptions are in essense the antithesis to the search for truth but they are the unfortunate necessasity for the human cognition.
so the question is where are you getting your assumptions from and are you willing to question them? are you projecting a stereotype that you see in other people? are you projecting your own opinion on a matter? are you projecting a trait that is simply being repressed in your own stance but is still active in your subconscious mind? etc
which is not strictly a matter of 'projection' but of a person's behavior including their particular projections.
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Carl Jung considered the UFO phenomenon a projection within the collective psyche of humanity.
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How does one discern what is a projection and what is an innate property?
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isn't projection a kind of expression? in both words we are looking at something coming out of another thing. although penis really is a projection from the body, and sperm is what is expressed by the penis, the projecting and expressing are both part of the same effort that goes out of the normal plane or limit of the body.
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Projection is a psychological term that was put forth by Freud to explain the consequences of repression. It is considered by Freud to be a "defense mechanism."
This is one definition of projection: "Projection falsely and unconsciously attributes your own acceptable feelings, traits, or thoughts to individuals or objects."
Denial Rationalization Reaction Formation Displacement
Are other forms of defense mechanisms as discussed by Freud, as well as Jung.
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Heh...Earlier I was considering making a thread asking when projection is itself projected onto others.
I know. I read your mind.
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I decided against it as I was afraid it would appear too personal in light of recent discussions.
It was just boys having fun until mom called us in for dinner.
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Silversoul said: How does one discern what is a projection and what is an innate property?
Clarify this. What do you mean by "innate property"?
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who doesn't project on these boards
this is all one big film, and we are the projectors
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redgreenvines said: isn't projection a kind of expression? in both words we are looking at something coming out of another thing. although penis really is a projection from the body, and sperm is what is expressed by the penis, the projecting and expressing are both part of the same effort that goes out of the normal plane or limit of the body.
The Freud Forum is next door.
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Silversoul said: How does one discern what is a projection and what is an innate property?
Clarify this. What do you mean by "innate property"?
An innate property is a property which something possesses regardless of who perceives it. My point is, does projection necessarily mean that we are just making up the properties we ascribe to something? Or is it possible to perceive something that is actually there?
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Silversoul said: How does one discern what is a projection and what is an innate property?
Clarify this. What do you mean by "innate property"?
An innate property is a property which something possesses regardless of who perceives it. My point is, does projection necessarily mean that we are just making up the properties we ascribe to something? Or is it possible to perceive something that is actually there?
Hm. I take it this is in regard to the Jung/UFO comment. Assuming this is the case, i think it is possible. Either way, I am sure Jung was not concerned if the UFOs perceived were real or not, he just made his conclusions based off the reporting of the time. He discusses the rumor aspect of the phenomenon first and then delves into dreams related to the flying saucers and abduction stories.
Philosophically i suppose it is possible to be projecting and perceiving innate properties all at once.
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Perhaps there is no such thing as innate properties and everything is pure projection.
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Projection seems permissible if it is to expose a bias in ones attitude or experience in a situation. It is, in alot of ways, an important part of arguing ethics and crossing over into moral territory too.
It can be useful for probing into understanding 'where the hell did you get that idea from?'
There is more than one way to interpret a philosophical text. Knowing/assuming something psychologically/environmentally etc about an individual is useful for understanding an idea. Projection upon a person may have basis on these things (particularly if they seem to be projecting, themselves, a bias that seems very tied in with their background) I guess what i am saying is that it can be useful (without personal attacks), but, of course, its not always necessary.
Consider the differences between ideas surrounding the idea of 'state of nature' (see Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, Hume, Rawls) and consider then their environment and backgrounds. Whilst seen as defense, it can also provide peripheral offense. Unfortunately these dead people cannot reply and say "yes your interpretation is correct" or "no, you misunderstood"
Ill will also add, philosophy is not all about 'basis in reality'. It often relates to the hypothetical. The IF. The point isn't always evidence, although a little can go a long way. ...Lest we forget the burden of proof.
people project here all the time. naturally, putting your own understanding on an idea of another individual is a form of this. The burden on the projector is to think wisely, lest they make a terribly false assumption. There is also a burden on the projected to accept or refute this interpretation.
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i split this into two posts because its getting long winded and wordy, and it probably wont be read anyway, but i tried, aye? heh :P
I feel like discussing the "antithesis to the search for truth; the opposite of open-mindedness; a self-limiting rigidness that allows no new data in." because my brains too full of nonsense at the moment:
Consider a thesis, and a projection on this. Then consider this projection an antithesis. so now we may have a mutual contradiction or many. I disagree that it allows no new data in if the argument builds on both sides. Things can get circular. However, Once all points are considered, there may be compromise, a yielding of certain points etc...a victory? ideas may change to fit better, arrange more objectively, and maybe, just maybe reconciliation can be met. In a perfect debate that is. What do we have here? change? reformation?
we have Synthesis
or Stalemate maybe - lets just get a new perspective in this case. The search for truth is not just a 1 on 1 battle. we're only human, and difference makes all the better for the strive for a synthesis.
(and this can take a long time - just look at how far we have come in philosophy so far - a rich history - and we can still debate over those dead people - and philosophers are stubborn people)
So to summarise, Thesis Antithesis Stalemate/Synthesis
So I ask: Is this not just part of the search for truth? Fuck it (don't mean to sound nihilistic at all, quite contrary) - Because i don't think you can generalise about projections and lump them collectively as "the antithesis of the search for truth"
However, beware of projectors exaggerating the projected points, it can get frustrating. And i've probably exageratted enough in this thread heh. edit: and made many spelling errors!!
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Indigenous said: Perhaps there is no such thing as innate properties and everything is pure projection.
I was starting to wonder about that. If true, it means that the OP's objection to it is rather meaningless, unless he expects us to regress into solipsism.
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Indigenous said: Perhaps there is no such thing as innate properties and everything is pure projection.
Agreed. This reflects the idea of panpsychism. I think this is highly likely.
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Indigenous said: Perhaps there is no such thing as innate properties and everything is pure projection.
I was starting to wonder about that. If true, it means that the OP's objection to it is rather meaningless, unless he expects us to regress into solipsism.
SS, would solipsism always be a regression?
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