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Please vote on a potential change to the rating system
    #9595461 - 01/12/09 03:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Right now, your general and trade ratings are simply the average of all the ratings you've received. This is nice, straightforward and easy to understand. If you have a four shroom rating and a five shroom rating, your average is 4.5. But another possibility would be to take a weighted average, and this might do a better job of reflecting a user's standing in the community. With a weighted average, ratings from users who themselves have high ratings are worth more, and ratings from users with low ratings are worth less. Basically when calculating the weighted average, if the person who rated you has zero shrooms themselves, their rating for you is counted once. If they have one shroom their rating is counted twice. Etcetera. So a rating from a user with five shrooms affects your total as much as six ratings from users with zero shrooms. For most users, there's actually very little difference between the two methods. You can try it out here, usually it's a few tenths of a point at most. But it might make people more thoughtful about the ratings they leave, and it would help minimize the effects of trolls. Anyway, if you have an opinion, please vote below.
Should ratings be an average or a weighted average?
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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595477 - 01/12/09 03:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Great idea


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595486 - 01/12/09 03:09 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think it's a great idea. Nice one ythan!


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: zouden]
    #9595509 - 01/12/09 03:15 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

My rating is 0.3 better with weighted. So that's what I voted for.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Thin White Duke] * 1
    #9595554 - 01/12/09 03:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

This would probably help my rating, seeing as a lot of the people who have rated me down are scum :shrug:

Deleting ratings from banned users is probably also appropriate.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595569 - 01/12/09 03:25 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Question: would my rating change in future if someone who previously rated me had their own rating change? Seems like that would be a very intensive operation.

Actually, it would lead to an endless loop if two people rate each other. I guess you have to stop the link somewhere. So is the weighting of each rating calculated just once?

I think I've just confused myself


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595636 - 01/12/09 03:38 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I like the idea, although it only affected my rating to the tune of +0.02


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595654 - 01/12/09 03:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Even though itd help my rateing(and make my ratings important) I think its a horrible idea based on principal. Why should one person's opinion be worth more than anyone else's? Just because they are more popular? This isnt High School.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595682 - 01/12/09 03:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think that a user should have the option of disabling images from being posted in the ratings others leave for them. :shrug:


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: ToTheSummit]
    #9595684 - 01/12/09 03:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

This seems like a good idea. 

However, I would think that weighting them by the rater's post count would seem more appropriate.  But then, that wouldn't have the effect of counteracting 'ratings rape' which this presumably does (in fact, it would exacerbate it).


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Question: would my rating change in future if someone who previously rated me had their own rating change? Seems like that would be a very intensive operation.

Actually, it would lead to an endless loop if two people rate each other. I guess you have to stop the link somewhere. So is the weighting of each rating calculated just once?

I think I've just confused myself




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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9595696 - 01/12/09 03:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think there's a subtle difference between rating and popularity. A high rating doesn't necessarily mean someone is more 'popular'. It just means they're not a douchebag all the time.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: zouden]
    #9595727 - 01/12/09 03:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Question: would my rating change in future if someone who previously rated me had their own rating change? Seems like that would be a very intensive operation.




Heh yeah that's a good question, and like you said, you can end up in an infinite loop if you aren't careful. To avoid this I think I'd use the unweighted rating of the raters when calculating the weighted average for a ratee. Then when someone receives a rating, it should be possible to go through and recalculate the weighted average for everyone they've rated. Depending on resource use this might be once a day or something, but I'd look for a way to keep the weighted averages reasonably current based on the changing ratings of the people who left them.

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Deleting ratings from banned users is probably also appropriate.




Personally I think this makes sense, but people have voted against it in the past. We could take a new poll though if opinions have changed.

Thanks everyone who's voting and discussing this.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595875 - 01/12/09 04:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Nice idea go 4 it!!!


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595878 - 01/12/09 04:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think weighted averages flies in the face of all the Pub stands for

plus it would seriously impede the effectiveness of an OTD ratings rape

which means that you'd probably have a bunch of butthurt Pubbers gang up to rape OTDers who would have a reduced impact in their returned ratings making it an unfair one sided fight

which is cool cause then OTD would have infected the Pub with the pack mentality

proving we won

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595881 - 01/12/09 04:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think it's a good idea, but I want at least 20 decimals of accuracy on the weighted average rating. That way I know.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595882 - 01/12/09 04:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The first problem I see is that if someone wonders into OTD and gets rating raped which probably happens to the majority of shroomery users then their rating of others becomes worthless.

On the plus side habitual rate rapists will also become worthless.

Other than that it seems a good idea but it is only ratings so I mind not which system is used.

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595893 - 01/12/09 04:15 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

All for it


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Ythan]
    #9595915 - 01/12/09 04:18 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think the weighted average should be weighed by the amount of time somebody has been registered to the site, not their popularity.  That would just help establish credibility in the ratings and help limit sensationalism.  Weighing it on post counts is not a fair consideration either, as it's easy to accumulate posts. 

In other words, you need a stal option.


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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #9595925 - 01/12/09 04:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Dumb question, what does OTD stand for? Never mind, I just realized, "Off Topic Discussion", duh...

Edited by gandalf579 (01/12/09 04:22 PM)

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Re: Please vote on a potential change to the rating system [Re: Srirachi]
    #9595930 - 01/12/09 04:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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I think weighted averages flies in the face of all the Pub stands for

plus it would seriously impede the effectiveness of an OTD ratings rape

which means that you'd probably have a bunch of butthurt Pubbers gang up to rape OTDers who would have a reduced impact in their returned ratings making it an unfair one sided fight

which is cool cause then OTD would have infected the Pub with the pack mentality

proving we won




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