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Stimpy913
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Below freezing temps
#9532253 - 01/02/09 01:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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My bags have been sitting in the woods for 2 days so far, and it dips down to around 20 F at night. The bags are all about half colonized, but i moved them all outdoors and currently just got done setting up an outdoor heating element so i dont have to grow shit in my house at all. Forgot to ask though, if the bags have been sitting out in below freezing for a couple days without heat - will it prevent future myc growth or stall it in any way? I remember freezing a fresh shroom once then thawed it and the bag filled up with a bunch of blue water, the shroom looked like it got beatin down. Same with myc?
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TheShroomJew23
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Re: Below freezing temps [Re: Stimpy913]
#9532313 - 01/02/09 02:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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The cell walls explode pretty much, like have you ever seen a summer plant after the first snow, they like melt because the cell wall bursts, it's the same reason cryogenic freezing doesn't work yet.
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Re: Below freezing temps [Re: Stimpy913]
#9532319 - 01/02/09 02:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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i remeber reading a thread about freezing fresh myc. for preservation and as i recall the concensus was that when you freeze myc. it causes the cells to burst. like taking a full bottle of water and freezing it the bottle will burst.
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Re: Below freezing temps [Re: mushroompat]
#9532463 - 01/02/09 02:46 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Last week, I brought some cultivation stuff in from storage in my open carport. There were several petri dishes that had been colonized since before I moved here last summer. After getting up to over 100F during the summer, and several weeks of -30F this winter, I was surprised to see all of them take off again once I brought them back in.
However, you're not going to colonize mycobags in that temperature. Wait until you can move your stuff indoors, or wait until spring. RR
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Stimpy913
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Re: Below freezing temps [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9533194 - 01/02/09 05:29 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Indeed i know they wont colonize that cold, i just want to know if they'll die from the cold or otherwise burst or something that can inhibit colonization whenever i decide to warm them back up
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Re: Below freezing temps [Re: Stimpy913]
#9533324 - 01/02/09 05:50 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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unless they have a way to prevent ice crystals from slicing (by creating substances similar to glucose) through their cellular membrane, the mycelium is likely pretty much dead.
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Re: Below freezing temps [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9533382 - 01/02/09 06:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Last week, I brought some cultivation stuff in from storage in my open carport. There were several petri dishes that had been colonized since before I moved here last summer. After getting up to over 100F during the summer, and several weeks of -30F this winter, I was surprised to see all of them take off again once I brought them back in.
However, you're not going to colonize mycobags in that temperature. Wait until you can move your stuff indoors, or wait until spring. RR
Did someone miss the thirty degrees below zero part? The mycelium survived. There were also several grain jars out there too, and they appear to be OK as well. Tertiary mycelium wouldn't make it, but that's not what we have in grow bags, jars, and petri dishes.
They do need to be brought indoors though. RR
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Re: Below freezing temps [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9533498 - 01/02/09 06:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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ah for some reason i assumed you meant that you just put the spores in and they hadnt colonized yet.
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Re: Below freezing temps [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9535403 - 01/02/09 11:21 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Tertiary mycelium wouldn't make it, but that's not what we have in grow bags, jars, and petri dishes.
Just curious about this so I had to ask -- what is tertiary mycelium...and what are the different types of mycelium?
N/M -- U-edTFS :P Tertiary mycelium = fruiting phase.
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Stimpy913
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Re: Below freezing temps [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9537161 - 01/03/09 10:35 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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RogerRabbit said: Last week, I brought some cultivation stuff in from storage in my open carport. There were several petri dishes that had been colonized since before I moved here last summer. After getting up to over 100F during the summer, and several weeks of -30F this winter, I was surprised to see all of them take off again once I brought them back in.
However, you're not going to colonize mycobags in that temperature. Wait until you can move your stuff indoors, or wait until spring. RR
Did someone miss the thirty degrees below zero part? The mycelium survived. There were also several grain jars out there too, and they appear to be OK as well. Tertiary mycelium wouldn't make it, but that's not what we have in grow bags, jars, and petri dishes.
They do need to be brought indoors though. RR
Thanks RR I read about the dishes bein alright but there's a lot more myc all deep layered in bags so i wanted to be sure.
Damn thats too cold I'd move. I dont even like it here in NE KS it gets down to -20 in dec/jan then over 105 + humid enough to build an arch in the summer
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Re: Below freezing temps [Re: Stimpy913]
#9537190 - 01/03/09 10:43 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea, it's cold in the winter, but I get to live up in the mountains in the middle of BFE with no neighbors and lots of peace and quiet. Here's a pic of mrs rabbits and my cabin. I wouldn't trade it for all the big cities in the world. The closest traffic signal to my house is 65 miles away. RR
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Re: Below freezing temps [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9537246 - 01/03/09 10:58 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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thats a nice spot how many acres? Looks like prime elk and mule deer country.
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Re: Below freezing temps [Re: Stimpy913]
#9537400 - 01/03/09 11:51 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm right on the edge of national forest, and my property borders national forest on two sides. I have 1.3 million acres without ever crossing a fence. No elk, but lots of deer. We have both white tail and mule deer. Here's some pics of my back yard from last summer. RR
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TheShroomJew23
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Re: Below freezing temps [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9537793 - 01/03/09 01:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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You are living my dream, I want to move to the middle of no where as soon as I find a girl that does too.
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RogerRabbit
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TheShroomJew23 said: as soon as I find a girl that does too.
A city girl would never cut it out here. Girly or not, they have to shovel snow, cut firewood, skin deer, and shovel manure. You're better off moving to BFE and then find a girl that's already living there. RR
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Re: Below freezing temps [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9538616 - 01/03/09 03:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am so jealous. I love the outdoors. I grew up on a mid sized 600 acre farm, a dirt road and no neigbors. Now I live in an apartment complex.
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Re: Below freezing temps [Re: arp180]
#9538624 - 01/03/09 03:55 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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RR what is the acreage that cabin sits on? And how far is the drive to work?
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Re: Below freezing temps [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9538678 - 01/03/09 04:02 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's what I was thinking, I have survived in the wild for 1 month without shelter or weapons or anything. So I know I would be fine, its the girl I am worried about.
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I just have 20 acres, but it's the last piece of private property on a dead end mountain road, so I essentially have the whole million+ acre national forest that's against my property line. In fact, it's national forest all the way into Canada ten miles away, where it's national forest on their side of the border too.
The mountain in the background is my snowboarding hill. RR
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Re: Below freezing temps [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9538756 - 01/03/09 04:15 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I knew you had it good, but I am pretty much green with envy. You're a lucky fellow, I'm happy you've been able to provide so well for yourself.
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