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OrgoneConclusion
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How to tell if a religion is fabricated
#9463375 - 12/19/08 05:24 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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If the founder/prophet/messiah claims special knowledge or special connection to an invisible being then a religion is fabricated.
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Bernackums
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9463395 - 12/19/08 05:27 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Agreed.
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9463459 - 12/19/08 05:41 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well that pretty much does away with all of them.
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: awesomebastard]
#9463538 - 12/19/08 05:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bernackums
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9463551 - 12/19/08 06:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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C.M. Mann
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: Bernackums]
#9465213 - 12/20/08 12:41 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Deconstructing the web that took thousands of years to build, is not easy.
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9465275 - 12/20/08 01:01 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said: If the founder/prophet/messiah claims special knowledge or special connection to an invisible being then a religion is fabricated.
not according to religion.
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: JCoke]
#9465600 - 12/20/08 03:32 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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You are assuming the existence of an invisible being is impossible, which it is not. So I must ask, how is it you know this? You've provided zero reasoning for you statement, are you claiming to have special knowledge?
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redgreenvines
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: myriadeyes]
#9465649 - 12/20/08 04:22 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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orgy is a kind of social force a leader, a jury and a judge the light is in the orgy a one man cl*st*rf*ck with many names
wait! where is the collection plate?
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MushroomTrip
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: myriadeyes]
#9465965 - 12/20/08 07:53 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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myriadeyes said: You are assuming the existence of an invisible being is impossible, which it is not. So I must ask, how is it you know this? You've provided zero reasoning for you statement, are you claiming to have special knowledge?
No. The ones that fail to prove the existence of such supernatural beings, invisible to the common eye, are the ones that claim to have seen them & spoken to them. Doubting the words of these kinds of people is not zero reasoning.
Also, what evidence do you have to sustain that it is possible for invisible beings to exist?
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9466122 - 12/20/08 09:28 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Special knowledge?
Who decides what's special or not? If I know a lot about Beatles setlists, that's probably pretty special to a Beatles fan. If I have knowledge of how to live life without the trappings of addiction or depression, would that knowledge not be special to anybody who really values it?
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mushroom people
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#9466130 - 12/20/08 09:33 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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All religion is man made, I go directly to God.
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#9466136 - 12/20/08 09:34 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I know a lot about Beatles setlists, that's probably pretty special to a Beatles fan.
Are these setlists your sole domain and locked away somewhere or could any fan familiarize themselves with such a list? (Can any person go to a mountain and have god talk to them in the form of a burning bush?) Each person who learned such lists would diminish your specialness in this area.
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9466140 - 12/20/08 09:35 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would defend them with swordsmen
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: mushroom people]
#9466143 - 12/20/08 09:36 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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mushroom people said: All religion is man made, I go directly to God.
I bypass God and go straight to the source.
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mushroom people
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9466152 - 12/20/08 09:39 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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According to google: The Source The online version of the popular Hip-hop music magazine that provides news coverage of urban music, African American issues, youth culture and politics.
So you believe that hip-hop > God?
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: mushroom people]
#9466160 - 12/20/08 09:41 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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For me to answer, you will have to phrase your post in rhymes and metre.
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9466649 - 12/20/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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You're getting ahead of yourself. I did not say one should not doubt their claims. It was OrgoneConclusion who stated that it is impossible for an invisible being to give special knowledge to someone, so he is the one who must substantiate this wild claim. He is obviously bringing in his own preconceived beliefs, providing zero reasoning as to why this must be true, and skipping away to divide the spoils. Of course he has continued to refrain from attempting to answer my question, frolicking around this thread making mildly amusing comments.
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Edited by myriadeyes (12/20/08 11:56 AM)
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mushroom people
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: myriadeyes]
#9466682 - 12/20/08 11:56 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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myriadeyes said: You're getting ahead of yourself. I did not say one should not doubt their claims. It was OrgoneConclusion who stated that it is impossible for an invisible being to give special knowledge to someone, so he is the one who must substantiate this wild claim. He is obviously bringing in his own preconceived beliefs, providing zero reasoning as to why this must be true, and skipping away to divide the spoils. I am not here claiming to be able to provide evidence that proves the existence of an invisible being.
I wasn't responding to anyone in particular. That is just my position on religion. Perhaps OC should read his thread on projection.
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PsyAlien
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Re: How to tell if a religion is fabricated [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9468073 - 12/20/08 04:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said: If the founder/prophet/messiah claims special knowledge or special connection to an invisible being then a religion is fabricated.
to be attributed to some religion, it's to be a hypocrite. religion it's abstract issue, for example: "man have a family, he working all day and everyday, so his family will have cloth to wear and food to eat" this is one man religion. but if talking about "invisible being", well... i better believe in "invisible being" than believe to people
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