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InvisibledeCypher
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A question.
    #9437928 - 12/15/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Suppose, just hypothetically, that someone figured out how to do great things.  Miraculous, unfathomable things.  Things that defy what were thought to be laws of physics and things that break the bounds of ordinary, sane rationality.  Suppose, just hypothetically, that this person could move mountains through belief alone, and create and destroy matter as he saw fit.  In short, suppose that this person discovered a way to do the impossible... a long-lost secret, or more accurately, something that was never a secret because those privy to its knowledge would never give it up to the masses for fear of weakening their own power.  Suppose this person discovered how to become a God.

What then should this person do?


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Re: A question. [Re: deCypher]
    #9437951 - 12/15/08 04:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

He should end the suffering of all beings in all realms.  Or, failing that, he should end the suffering of as many beings as possible.  Or, failing that, he should do nothing at all.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: A question. [Re: Lion]
    #9438494 - 12/15/08 05:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Lion said:
He should end the suffering of all beings in all realms.  Or, failing that, he should end the suffering of as many beings as possible.  Or, failing that, he should do nothing at all.



That would do no actual good..
Do you want somebody else to end your suffering ?
Maybe its a bold statement , but i want to do it on my own.
Help.. can be useful ..
But not to the extent of getting everything taken care of by another party..

To answer the original question though..
You really do nothing.
You understand the severe consequences interaction.
Understand the importance of free will..
And help only if you are asked to do so..
Or.. you can deny that..
And just do whatever you want.
Being that you give god-like attributes to matters i find are very close to what we are all awaiting , the response one would have is simply another choice..
To serve others..
Or to serve yourself..
No path being wrong.. There are no mistakes.
It is posts like this , that indirectly make the differentiation in these two choices/paths among people, upon examining the responses only.
But.. 
What i find more interesting is not "what" one should do..
But "why" ..
The intent based upon the current state of awareness , knowledge ,emotion is what governs all action.
Perhaps..
This is why the last stage could be considered giving up identity and all interaction to the great source from which all the awareness and knowledge is drawn from.
Perhaps.. this source also has a cycle , that in the end gives way to a new birth ..
A new .. greater cycle ?
Confusion..
Lack of knowledge..
And.. what are you left with..
Again.. A choice..
We all experience each other .. experience our surroundings knowing that they are but another expression of ourselves..
So if you love yourself..
Loving other selves.. is not a problem..
If you love others.. loving yourself also comes easily..
And.. Inevitably..
Throughout the entire course.. From A.. to the always undefined Z..
What actually brings about any query.. any action..
Is love..
And.. that is the lesson of this density..
Recognizing its properties.. And giving it direction..
So.. moving mountains.. becomes a discussion similar to discussing whether i should breath in now.. Or in 2 seconds..
A choice..
And that.. is also a lesson of this density..
The free will

So.. the entire MESS..
Is just a way , to again.. differentiate the intention among beings in this new plane of existence..
Creating a polarization ..
And without this polarization , further lessons are hard to give out and comprehend.
Meaning..
The guys creating wars , and suffering for others now..
If they obtain necessary knowledge .. Graduate to a new form of existance where they destroy mountains..
And the "good guys" rebuild them , and tell the people its gonna be ok.
Upon realizing these actions are simply catalysts for learning..
We cease to be a part of it .. and plus and minus are combined into a whole.
And this whole.. Is also a book to read.
A lesson to be learned..
That there is no good or bad. Unless you are in the density studying these notions in order to overcome them.
So.. the whole course is again .. seemingly linear.
From the plus - where you came to exist..
To the minus where you cease..
And this .. is maybe also to be considered as two polarizations to be combined.
Being existent.. And not existent .. at the same time.
...At the point of existence we surely cannot comprehend now , or put into words.
We all get bigger and bigger.. only to come to another point where we are again .. small , and have much more growing to do..
And the message is IMO..
Enjoy the ride..
Cause.. by looking toward the bigger , better ride..
You miss out on the original one..
And this happens even when you board on the big ass spaceship turning and twisting and showing you the greatest time ..
You cant help but think of whats better.. greater..
And that.. Is just another lesson :smile:
Strive for the better..
But keep in mind..
That wherever you go..
Its all a part of the same creation , just a different form.
All is one.

Sorry .. for maybe going a bit off track..
I tend to try and understand the core of the question..
And this is just my reaction.. My opinion.

Thank you


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: A question. [Re: jivJaN]
    #9438748 - 12/15/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

That would do no actual good..
Do you want somebody else to end your suffering ?
Maybe its a bold statement , but i want to do it on my own.


If someone became "God", as in this scenario, that person would be you.

I would welcome an omniscient force acting to end my suffering and all suffering.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: A question. [Re: Lion]
    #9438766 - 12/15/08 06:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Lion said:
He should end the suffering of all beings in all realms. 




A procurement of comfortable shoes is a swell beginning, I think/


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That mycelium eats detritus and dies
But that life in all it's glory
Counts mycelium to be on it's side.

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InvisibledeCypher
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Re: A question. [Re: jivJaN]
    #9440888 - 12/15/08 11:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

jivJaN said:
To answer the original question though..
You really do nothing.




So you would do nothing whatsoever with your newfound power, except if people ask for it?

Quote:

Lion said:
I would welcome an omniscient force acting to end my suffering and all suffering.




This could either be solved by creating a Nirvana and making every person forever happy, or by killing everyone.  Which do you prefer?


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Invisiblec0sm0nautt
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Re: A question. [Re: deCypher]
    #9440911 - 12/15/08 11:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I believe many of us, especially those who frequent the fringe such as the M&P crowd, who are likely "wanderers", will discover many gifts which will come off as miraculous. We are simply remembering first.

The first who develop these gifts must sit back and navigate the world with unyielding compassion.

Are you trying to tell us something Cyper? :eek:

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Re: A question. [Re: deCypher]
    #9441100 - 12/16/08 12:09 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Well...you're automatically assuming a given path is best for this hypothetical individual. A God on what grounds? How do you define this God? How does he fit into the rest of existence? Is he a self-defined God where other Gods or possibly one other God came pre-packaged with the universe?

I think your hypothetical being would be confused and probably call the suicide hotline.

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Re: A question. [Re: fazdazzle]
    #9441166 - 12/16/08 12:20 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

fazdazzle said:
Well...you're automatically assuming a given path is best for this hypothetical individual. A God on what grounds? How do you define this God? How does he fit into the rest of existence? Is he a self-defined God where other Gods or possibly one other God came pre-packaged with the universe?

I think your hypothetical being would be confused and probably call the suicide hotline.




I'm not assuming a given path exists; I'm just wondering what y'all would do if you were in this situation.  Let's assume that the person in question has unlimited power to manipulate reality as he sees fit, and sees no evidence of any other beings of equal or greater power.


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Re: A question. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #9441551 - 12/16/08 01:42 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

c0sm0nautt said:
I believe many of us, especially those who frequent the fringe such as the M&P crowd, who are likely "wanderers", will discover many gifts which will come off as miraculous. We are simply remembering first.

The first who develop these gifts must sit back and navigate the world with unyielding compassion.

Are you trying to tell us something Cyper? :eek:




:smile:

yes..
These "gifts" .. are not to be used lightly..
Although the mission is more than obvious.. It is important to stay on the right path.
As long as we are here.. We are subject to all the experiences this density can offer.
And all actions have an impact on our further journey .. and the paths of others.
Love .. and compassion are the only abilities we should exercise ..
For now..

:smile:

And its not  "manipulating" reality..
Its ... more like asking for a favor..
Harmonious cooperation..
Not ordering..


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: A question. [Re: deCypher]
    #9441566 - 12/16/08 01:45 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:
Quote:

jivJaN said:
To answer the original question though..
You really do nothing.




So you would do nothing whatsoever with your newfound power, except if people ask for it?

Quote:

Lion said:
I would welcome an omniscient force acting to end my suffering and all suffering.




This could either be solved by creating a Nirvana and making every person forever happy, or by killing everyone.  Which do you prefer?



I think i already answered that in my first response.
And i find it somewhat difficult to answer the second question , due to the way it has been presented.
Perhaps.. You can rephrase ?


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: A question. [Re: jivJaN]
    #9442332 - 12/16/08 07:50 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I would ask him to make a utopian rave island of course.


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Chat your fraff
Just chat your fraff
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Re: A question. [Re: deCypher]
    #9442364 - 12/16/08 08:04 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:


This could either be solved by creating a Nirvana and making every person forever happy, or by killing everyone.  Which do you prefer?


If it's created, it isn't Nirvana.

Everyone could simultaneously awaken to Nirvana, but I don't know if some lowly God could do that. :wink:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: A question. [Re: Lion]
    #9442386 - 12/16/08 08:15 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Lion said:
Quote:

That would do no actual good..
Do you want somebody else to end your suffering ?
Maybe its a bold statement , but i want to do it on my own.


If someone became "God", as in this scenario, that person would be you.

I would welcome an omniscient force acting to end my suffering and all suffering.




god is the only one who ends suffering

:peace:


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Re: A question. [Re: Chronic7]
    #9442434 - 12/16/08 08:29 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I don't believe there is a God. :shrug:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: A question. [Re: Lion]
    #9442475 - 12/16/08 08:43 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

god isnt a thing, so theres isnt a 'god'

there is awareness, but awareness also isn't a thing


:peace:


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Re: A question. [Re: jivJaN]
    #9443250 - 12/16/08 11:48 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

jivJaN said:
To serve others..
Or to serve yourself..
No path being wrong.. There are no mistakes.




Quote:

jivJaN said: Although the mission is more than obvious.. It is important to stay on the right path.
As long as we are here.. We are subject to all the experiences this density can offer.
And all actions have an impact on our further journey .. and the paths of others.
Love .. and compassion are the only abilities we should exercise ..




So on the one hand there are no wrong paths, but on the other we should only exercise love and compassion while staying on the right one?  :lol:


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Re: A question. [Re: deCypher]
    #9443561 - 12/16/08 12:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

he should do the only thing that would make a defrence in this world and exterminate the race that corrupts,takes,kills,destroys etc. the race thats so fucking power hungry that they would sacrafice inoccents to gain it. the race thats ben diluted down to nothing but a wallering layer of sediment waiting to be incinerated. once this unstoppable force is at an end, then he should create new life. eliminate a threat that one day will reach and infect past its own boundries, a threat that will flood through out this galaxy like a bacteria. destroying,and corroding through worlds for only one true purpose.. a purpose thats hidden by false facts,false power.. the purpose to survive.

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Re: A question. [Re: deCypher]
    #9444368 - 12/16/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:
Quote:

jivJaN said:
To serve others..
Or to serve yourself..
No path being wrong.. There are no mistakes.




Quote:

jivJaN said: Although the mission is more than obvious.. It is important to stay on the right path.
As long as we are here.. We are subject to all the experiences this density can offer.
And all actions have an impact on our further journey .. and the paths of others.
Love .. and compassion are the only abilities we should exercise ..




So on the one hand there are no wrong paths, but on the other we should only exercise love and compassion while staying on the right one?  :lol:



U misunderstood..
Maybe it was my fault.
I will explain..
Wanderers incarnate here in 3rd density from higher density [service to others] social memory complexes bare assignments , that are to help people in raising awareness , and to help and eradicate fear , mainly .. emanating light/love instead ..
In there case.. it is important to stay on the right path.. to remember , and stick with the assignment .
Because.. after evolving..coming back to this density experience can be very difficult ... And should not  be used to waste.


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: A question. [Re: jivJaN]
    #9444531 - 12/16/08 03:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Higher density does not necessarily imply service to others.

There are greater beings whose nature is neither good, nor evil.  If we get in their way they will squash us like a bug.  Evolution to these states is quite possible, along with evolution to those more focused on helping or those more focused on harming.

Don't believe all the propaganda you hear.


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